Australian ban; Egar illegal

[e-pipeman]

The history of liberty is a history of the limitation of government power, not the increase of it. -Woodrow Wilson

We need less authority, more anarchy.

Sadly we sit by and allow our Government to pass legislation that insidiously chips away at freedoms we have gained over centuries. We used to elect people to represent us, but now they dictate to us. With regard to legislation it would perhaps be better to start enforcing the laws already on the statute book rather than forever generating new laws that will never be enforced for reasons of economics. Rant over.

[cucurucho]

I do not know if the following document dated Oct 2008 has been discussed in this forum.

Pages 126-143 give a "record of reasons" for the decisions on the electronic cigarette by the Therapeutic Goods Administration:

www(dot)tga(dot)gov(dot)au/ndpsc/record/rr200810(dot)pdf

Substitute "(dot)"with "." as I cannot post links yet in this forum.

Or just google for "rr200810.pdf"

Thanks for posting this, it's a very interesting read indeed.

I'm mostly annoyed that this discussion wasn't up for public debate.

One point that I think could have helped our plight:
The attractiveness of e-smoking to a non smoker would be largely offset by the upfront cost of purchasing a device with cartridges, compared to the cost of pack of cigarettes. Any non smoker who would turn to using the device would just as likely turn to using tobacco products in the absence of personal vaporisers from the market.

[lucisac]

So is it illegal for me to use my e-cig with non nicotene cartridges?
Is it illegal to use it with nicotene carts?
Sorry but I am not good at all this reading.

[cucurucho]

So is it illegal for me to use my e-cig with non nicotene cartridges?

No.

Is it illegal to use it with nicotene carts?

Technically yes. But this law is not enforced. They're only really interested in stopping the supply of nicotine.

[lucisac]

Thanks for the reply!

[alwhis]

I am new here. But after reading these posts I feel a real kinship with the people here on the forum. Although speaking in a very general sense, I believe there is rebellious nature to smokers in general, as well as those that drink. I know I have NEVER felt apart of normal society in general. That goes back to my first real thoughts on this matter in High School. I am a baby boomer now, and when I look back and compare society in my days and the present day, the differences are plain, at least for me, to see.

Perhaps as it becomes more socially unacceptable, it also appears that we become outcasts of the state we belong to. Which I believe is the real reason behind all this. We therefore can be identified.

Unless and until we ALL think alike, and we ALL begin to act alike, the powers to be will not be satisfied. We can and are being controlled, and this I believe is ALL governments ultimate goal.

I could go on, but don't what to blemish my standing so soon with talk of a rebellious streak in me a mile long.

[Pecos]

How do we keep this from happening elsewhere?

[Kate]

We need clinical trials, research, tests, anything that proves it's better than smoking and can be used as a low risk medicine. That all takes time, inclination and investment, none of which seem to be joining up at the moment.

[deewal]

We need clinical trials, research, tests, anything that proves it's better than smoking and can be used as a low risk medicine. That all takes time, inclination and investment, none of which seem to be joining up at the moment.

I blame that directly on the Manufacturer's of E-Cigs and Liquid.
It is their Product. If they wan't to sell it without issue then they should be doing all of these things. Their apparent refusal to do this makes even me suspicious and nervous and i'm pro E-Cigs.
It's not as if the Technology to do this is not available and if i was an Anti i would immediately ask to see this proof of the claims made by the Manufacturer's.
Mankind is capable of sending Probes into Deep Space, have telescopes that can see Billions of years back into the Cosmos, can Split the Atom amongst other thing.
I don't see how proving the safety of E-Cigs can be such an enormous task.

Oh and @ alwhis:

We can and are being controlled, and this I believe is ALL governments ultimate goal.

Of course it is and it is almost in place in the UK.
Watch the Movie "Children of Men". It is chilling in it's accuracy of the UK as it could be because we are almost there now and the Movie is set in 2020.

[TropicalBob]

Over on the snus forum that I frequent, there has been an ongoing discussion of e-cigs. And someone noted this that I believe is true: If e-cigs had come from Big Pharma or Big Tobacco, they would have been welcomed and accepted. But they come from China and we know NOTHING about their contents that can be said with assurance. This is untenable and that's why action is considered necessary to either ban or regulate them.

I remember a poster last January, Perfectionist, who said if the e-cig had come from Apple as the I-cig, it would be accepted and would sell billions worldwide without any protest. But Apple didn't give us melamine, either.

Its today's situation that can't continue. And it worsens daily with modern-day carnival barkers drawing in the sheep to fleece at mall kiosks.

"It's the new miracle of technology, my friends, a cigarette-like device that will free you from the Demon Weed. No tobacco. No fire. No limits! Smoke it anywhere. It's healthy too. You'll quit nasty cigarettes without cravings, without irritating others, all the while adding years to your life.

"Listen up now. This fabulous product can be yours, not for $500, not for $300, not even for $200, but for only $159. And if you act now, we'll throw in, absolutely free, an extra pack of cartridges with unknown contents. Step right up, ladies and gentlemen. Don't push now. There's plenty for everyone ..."

With e-smoking friends like that promoting us, we don't need enemies.