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Di · 12-31-2008, 05:15 AM

this is from ----

Brumby Government's Tobacco Control Strategy 2008-2013, which aims to reduce smoking rates by 20 per cent.

The new regulation, which comes into effect tomorrow, outlaws the manufacture, sale, supply, purchase, possession or use of unregulated nicotine delivery systems.
The decision will have no effect on the sale of nicotine replacement therapies, which are used to assist people stop smoking.

RIP E-CIGARETTE

Di .....

lucisac · 12-31-2008, 05:25 AM

Don't believe everything the newspapers post. I have posted links below somewhere that show the only change has been the banning of retail sale of Nicotene in Victoria as of 1st Jan 2009.

gizmo · 12-31-2008, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dikerry

this is from ----

The decision will have no effect on the sale of nicotine replacement therapies, which are used to assist people stop smoking.

RIP E-CIGARETTE

Di .....

Then that is the loophole, if they trial this against what is avaliable,patches/gum,ect..the ecig would come up a winner,but then attract a wopping tax on the juice...

Di · 12-31-2008, 05:40 AM

who could afford to do the trials

how long would trials take before approval,

15 years and still waiting for some usa diabetes stuff
to finish trials and be approved for use in australia.

don't hold ya breath for trials ......

Di .....

Chuffer · 12-31-2008, 05:42 AM

Maybe Ruyan and the others need to organize an industry association and get their own lobbyists going in order to protect a potentially phenomenally profitable business. (And more importantly, to let me vape in peace.)

dodomark · 12-31-2008, 06:23 AM

Well I am waiting for a big load and just did an order and paid for it today! I did not here about this. The stuff was sent off today so what will happen when it comes? They will take it? Or is it ok as I payed for it before it was banned? **** I think I just lost over $9000 USD of stuff! NOT HAPPY

Mark

dodomark · 12-31-2008, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucisac

Don't believe everything the newspapers post. I have posted links below somewhere that show the only change has been the banning of retail sale of Nicotene in Victoria as of 1st Jan 2009.

So you think if any joe got a e-cig sent from china it would get to them?

Mark

Magarnagle · 12-31-2008, 06:52 AM

The worst thing about this is that now the Vic govt. have put the jackboot down, it sets a precedent for other states/countries/interested parties to do the same.

Now, people who may have been looking at e-cigs as an alternative may look at this as proof positive that e-cigs are the devil's plaything and the cause of all things evil.

Anybody who wants to slam e-cigs will point to this legislation and say "See? The government of Victoria have clearly thought this through long and hard, and have come to the conclusion that e-cigs are harmful. Therefore, we can ban them too, it's in everybody's best interests, especially those poor deluded smokers who need to be guided by a strong arm because they're obviously too stupid to see reason the way we do.".

Bellinghamster · 12-31-2008, 06:55 AM

To whom it may concern in the Aussie [or other relevant] gov't:

From Wikipedia on caffeine:

The LD (Bellinghamster: Lethal Dose) of caffeine in humans is dependent on weight and individual sensitivity and estimated to be about 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass, roughly 80 to 100 cups of coffee for an average adult taken within a limited time frame that is dependent on half-life. Though achieving lethal dose with caffeine would be exceptionally difficult with regular coffee, there have been reported deaths from overdosing on caffeine pills, with serious symptoms of overdose requiring hospitalization occurring from as little as 2 grams of caffeine.[75][76][77][78] Death typically occurs due to ventricular fibrillation brought about by effects of caffeine on the cardiovascular system

Please include caffeine in your list of banned products, as it's obviously a) a stimulant b) available "over the counter" [no Rx] c) does not require you to be 18 or 21 to purchase, and is d) widely acceptable for use in public, in the workplace, in the car, at home and d*mn near everywhere. Next time you see a 15 year old drinking Red Bull - slap the cuffs on 'em

Let me know when you have completed sucking every last drop of fun out of life by passing this measure, so I can assert your culpability in my suicide note.

Sincerely,

Bellinghamster

[Note to forum: Not actually suicidal... just [melo]dramtic]

Should anyone like to know how many of the popular energy drinks it would take to kill themselves: check out Death By Caffeine.

I know it might must be hard to do, but I think I've been close in Vegas

billyboy689 · 12-31-2008, 08:10 AM

s##t Dodomark thats a bugger of a situation
you need to get some definite info on this law and how its going to effect that order
a few people here are researching this new law and what it means so maybe they will find out some useful info
there are some clever people on here that have smartz
i am not one of them

12-31-2008, 05:15 AM	#41
Di East Mall Representative Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia & China Posts: 3,840	e-cig killer this is from ---- Brumby Government's Tobacco Control Strategy 2008-2013, which aims to reduce smoking rates by 20 per cent. The new regulation, which comes into effect tomorrow, outlaws the manufacture, sale, supply, purchase, possession or use of unregulated nicotine delivery systems. The decision will have no effect on the sale of nicotine replacement therapies, which are used to assist people stop smoking. RIP E-CIGARETTE Di ..... __________________ To Your Own Self Be True Di -- East Mall Representative

12-31-2008, 05:25 AM	#42
lucisac ECF Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 173	Don't believe everything the newspapers post. I have posted links below somewhere that show the only change has been the banning of retail sale of Nicotene in Victoria as of 1st Jan 2009. __________________

12-31-2008, 05:40 AM	#44
Di East Mall Representative Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia & China Posts: 3,840	$$$$$ who could afford to do the trials how long would trials take before approval, 15 years and still waiting for some usa diabetes stuff to finish trials and be approved for use in australia. don't hold ya breath for trials ...... Di ..... __________________ To Your Own Self Be True Di -- East Mall Representative

12-31-2008, 06:52 AM	#48
Magarnagle Full Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 38	The worst thing about this is that now the Vic govt. have put the jackboot down, it sets a precedent for other states/countries/interested parties to do the same. Now, people who may have been looking at e-cigs as an alternative may look at this as proof positive that e-cigs are the devil's plaything and the cause of all things evil. Anybody who wants to slam e-cigs will point to this legislation and say "See? The government of Victoria have clearly thought this through long and hard, and have come to the conclusion that e-cigs are harmful. Therefore, we can ban them too, it's in everybody's best interests, especially those poor deluded smokers who need to be guided by a strong arm because they're obviously too stupid to see reason the way we do.". Last edited by Magarnagle; 12-31-2008 at 06:55 AM.

12-31-2008, 06:55 AM	#49
Bellinghamster Rodent of EVI*L Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Bellingham, WA USA Posts: 309	To whom it may concern in the Aussie [or other relevant] gov't: From Wikipedia on caffeine: The LD (Bellinghamster: Lethal Dose) of caffeine in humans is dependent on weight and individual sensitivity and estimated to be about 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass, roughly 80 to 100 cups of coffee for an average adult taken within a limited time frame that is dependent on half-life. Though achieving lethal dose with caffeine would be exceptionally difficult with regular coffee, there have been reported deaths from overdosing on caffeine pills, with serious symptoms of overdose requiring hospitalization occurring from as little as 2 grams of caffeine.[75][76][77][78] Death typically occurs due to ventricular fibrillation brought about by effects of caffeine on the cardiovascular system Please include caffeine in your list of banned products, as it's obviously a) a stimulant b) available "over the counter" [no Rx] c) does not require you to be 18 or 21 to purchase, and is d) widely acceptable for use in public, in the workplace, in the car, at home and d*mn near everywhere. Next time you see a 15 year old drinking Red Bull - slap the cuffs on 'em Let me know when you have completed sucking every last drop of fun out of life by passing this measure, so I can assert your culpability in my suicide note. Sincerely, Bellinghamster [Note to forum: Not actually suicidal... just [melo]dramtic] Should anyone like to know how many of the popular energy drinks it would take to kill themselves: check out Death By Caffeine. I know it might must be hard to do, but I think I've been close in Vegas __________________

12-31-2008, 05:42 AM	#45
Chuffer Supporting Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New York State Posts: 123	Maybe Ruyan and the others need to organize an industry association and get their own lobbyists going in order to protect a potentially phenomenally profitable business. (And more importantly, to let me vape in peace.)

12-31-2008, 06:23 AM	#46
dodomark Full Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Victoria Australia Posts: 48	Well I am waiting for a big load and just did an order and paid for it today! I did not here about this. The stuff was sent off today so what will happen when it comes? They will take it? Or is it ok as I payed for it before it was banned? **** I think I just lost over $9000 USD of stuff! NOT HAPPY Mark

12-31-2008, 08:10 AM	#50
billyboy689 Manufacturer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: south australia Posts: 171	s##t Dodomark thats a bugger of a situation you need to get some definite info on this law and how its going to effect that order a few people here are researching this new law and what it means so maybe they will find out some useful info there are some clever people on here that have smartz i am not one of them

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