Australian ban; Egar illegal

[lucisac]

So you think if any joe got a e-cig sent from china it would get to them?

Mark

.....Yes

[gizmo]

Good suggestion RJG..when our gun laws came in we could organize a sale to O/S through a dealer or have them crushed.

[e-pipeman]

This is very sad news indeed. Those who have emailed the health minister - do keep us informed as to the replies you receive. The desire to regulate the behaviour of adults around the world in remarkably small-minded and priggish ways seems to be reaching epic proportions globally. It's a damn shame.

[Trumpybloke]

G'day Guys, well what an eventful day its been , I have been on the phone for quite a bit discussing the ramifications ... Might be time we took stock of the salient facts I can confirm

these are :

- Retailers were informed of the decision at approximately at 10 am 31/12/08 that the retail sale of nicotine intended for human consumption would be in contravention of the scheduled drug act, Drugs, Poisons and Controlled Substances Act 1981 Sections 12G and 12K, as from midnight on the 31st of December 2008 and that all sales after that cutoff would be punishable.

- Quoted from the Victorian Premiers website Media Release

"The Victorian Government has banned the sale and use of a battery-powered cigarette.
While the device does not contain tobacco, it resembles a traditional cigarette and will not be able to be marketed in Victoria as it will be illegal to sell the nicotine cartridges. "
So there will be no sale of the units after Jan 1st 09... it is not clear however on the usage of units purchased BEFORE that date

-It continues..
"“The new regulation, to come into effect from 1 January 2009, outlaws the manufacture, sale, supply, purchase, possession or use of nicotine delivery systems for humans that are classified as Schedule 7 poisons, as these products have not been assessed for quality or safety.

Again appear initially to refer to units after the date , I must add that in the actual modifications to the Drugs, Poisons and Controlled Substances Act 1981 Sections 12G and 12K which can be found here Poisons code: Drugs and poisons in Victoria - Victorian Government Health Information, Australia There is no mention of any modification in the legislation to "outlaws the manufacture, sale, supply, purchase, possession or use of nicotine delivery systems for humans "
This may be in evidence elsewhere but I cannot find reference to it.

Well fellow Aussies, and indeed ALL vapers, we have two choices, put up or shut up !!!
We can roll over and go .. oh well.. such is life.. or we unite to try and make our case heard
Of everything on the boards I think SATIRES last post in this thread pretty much sums up the whole issue ...

WE DO NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS , So it is up to us to make sure the cry is LONG and LOUD ... if you want to have even the slightest hope of change? Even then its not guaranteed a quarter of 1%

There is a possible way of dealing with this , in a legal and moral sense , that is being investigated, and may possibly require your help in the not too distant future

I will point out that I am NOT a retailer , supplier, and have no vested interest in our vaping industry beyond the fact that I KNOW this is the BEST way for me to breaak my ties with tobacco and it is going to be taken away from me....I very rarely give out information on my personal situation via the internet, But after a motorcycling accident in 2003 I am now a Disability Pensioner, as a result of this I was made redundant from my employer of 20 years as we both knew I would never be physically capable of re-entering the workforce, resulting in the loss of my income stream , the house I only had 5 years left to pay off, my relationship at the time, and a fair degree of my mobility ....My life certainly changed ... I didn't buckle in , I turned all the negatives into the best positive I could make it into , I relocated, bought my place in the country free and clear, and set about making myself as independent as I could be, financially and personally .... the one major problem was my smoking... not for health reasons ( hell all the doctors I have seen over the last few years and they are all amazed I do as well as I can bodywise ) but for me , living on a Govt Pension isn't easy, I cant do a homer here and there and I WONT do a shifty for some beers and smokes lol . I wasnt a huge drinker so THAT bit was easy to forgo... but the SMOKES ... MAN they had me... Sometimes it comes down to do you want to eat, or smoke??? luckily for me I run a few sheep, chooks and a vegie patch !!

Vaping was my way out of the " Voluntary Taxation " of Tobacco here in Australia when you have an income of $250 a week .... taking $90 out of it for a carton of smokes was painful... there are those of you on the forum might not believe this, but the vaping I have been doing , apart from the set-up costs was going to be around $10 a week THAT I could have afforded... now it appear I have outlaid this initially expensive ( well for me anyway ) set-up cost .... to gain ... well nothing really ... less healthy ( and yes I know I said I was doing ok , but all smokers will pay the price eventually .. I knew it was stalking me lol )... back to a high priced addiction... back to wondering which bill wont get paid this week ... so you see for me , this wasnt just a hobby to be toyed with , it was a definite attempt to break the final bonds of the financial pressures I didn't ask for but find myself facing..... Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr lol


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[RainbowznStarz]

Wow. This shouldn't surprise me but...it does. It's happened so quick.

I feel for you guys. I suppose the clock is ticking down for the rest of us, too.

Good luck & I hope something works out for you all!

[dodomark]

Well stuff it! We are Aussie's So no way in hell are we walking away from this guys! Eureka Stockade Let get the ball rolling, tell everyone whats up and we will meet back friday once I hear back from a QC I will be seeing. It may take a week but I will get all the info. And we will remind them that we FREE man and women and will not have our rights stuffed with. I have been told we may have a great case of the state goverment over steping its "power" and our rights. I will get all the details, but guys stay ticked off and lets give it to them. Aussie Aussie Aussie

Mark

[Papa Lazarou]

Good luck guys - don't let "the man" walk all over you.

[Trumpybloke]

Happy New Year folkssssss

Sigh New Years Eve and I'm on a forum now im REALLY depressed LMAO

(despite what the mongrels are doing )

[dodomark]

Happy new year to you to Trumpybloke

Mark

[sherid]

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