Electronic vaporiser being registered for NRT in Australia

[cucurucho]

Following Sin's post in which he revealed that it is only the nicotine that is banned now in Victoria, I decided to contact the equivalent person in NSW. The duty pharmacist at the NSW Pharmaceutical Services Branch.

It turns out that the laws are the same in NSW as they are now in Victoria.

Now here's the really interesting part...Apparently a company (he did not know which company) is applying for a nicotine vaporising device to be registered with the Therapeutic Goods Administration as nicotine replacement therapy. And this is the company that, as he said, "dobbed the other company in" for selling the nicotine devices online. I assume by "the other company", he is referring to Egar. And I'm guessing that the company making the application is Ruyan. Let the speculation research commence!

This makes a lot of sense to me. As I discovered that the Victorian State Government does not make any tax revenue from tobacco sales. All the taxes are federal. So instead we have one manufacturer (or supplier?) trying to eliminate the competition in anticipation of their own device being registered for therapeutic use.

The other good news is that it's only the cartridges/liquid containing nicotine that are banned. So we will be able to extract the nicotine from whichever cartridges will be sold legally for use in our devices of choice. Here's hoping the carts contain decent juice.

[SIN]

Originally Posted by cucurucho

So we will be able to extract the nicotine from whichever cartridges will be sold legally for use in our devices of choice. Here's hoping the carts contain decent juice.

Oh bugger, I accidentally dropped my 10mg Nicorette Inhaler cartridge into my glass of vodka, however will I be able to get the Nicotine out of my Vodka now... hmmm, maybe I could mix it with my favourite 0 nic liquid and vaporise it

[dc2k08]

Amazing that someone revealed this to you. would love to know definitely who the dobber is. guess we'll find out soon enough.

[TropicalBob]

I think your guess is correct. I also think ONLY Ruyan has the financial resources to push through an NRT process. If these devices and liquid are so certified, you can kiss the other companies goodbye.

And we'll have a global precedent in a major English-speaking country. A very big deal indeed.

[Frankie]

It´s dirty what they did to competition, but, on the other hand, if they manage to get a legal NRT status, it can mean a lot to us vapers. Much better to have a fully legal source that cannot be banned. Especially in countries with no bans yet, i.e. most of the world now.

A fully regulated NRT product should also be much safer health-wise.

[Myk]

Originally Posted by Frankie

A fully regulated NRT product should also be much safer health-wise.

Not only for AU but for the world.

[katink]

Except for one tiny consideration: a whole lot of us would not be able to e-vape any more. Ruyan is allready out of reach for many now.. the costs of getting it regulated will only be put on top of the allready unreachable prices. (And that's one big worry of me overall about any regulation... it will shove out the poorer people, leaving them to smoke some kind of filth - because smoke they will...) (And no, if they get themselves a monopoly as they are trying, not one ounce of me believes their devices will get any cheaper when mass-produced... that will be just more dollars to line the shareholder-pockets)

[trog100]

in my book or at least the UK book any NRT device needs to be none addictive.. its purpose.. to get people off nicotine addiction not tobacco usage..

an effective nicotine delivering e smoking device is not about getting people off nicotine.. far from it.. its about getting people on nicotine and created more nicotine addicts not less..

three things will happen to e cigs.. they will ether be ignored (hopefully).. banned out right.. or regulated so as they are not addictive..

no way on this planet will mother permit another highly addictive product be let lose on her children.. regulated and safe will simply mean none addictive and useless as an alternative (safer) nicotine provider..

mother wants her children off nicotine.. bingo.. no ifs and buts..

dream on guys.. safe to mother means none addictive.. NRT means none addictive..

our only hope is that mother is busy doing other things (saving the world) and by the time she gets around to sorting e cigs out there are that many users she will back off..

power in numbers.. only time will give us this..

trog

[slianfoxob]

Originally Posted by katink

Except for one tiny consideration: a whole lot of us would not be able to e-vape any more. Ruyan is allready out of reach for many now.. the costs of getting it regulated will only be put on top of the allready unreachable prices. (And that's one big worry of me overall about any regulation... it will shove out the poorer people, leaving them to smoke some kind of filth - because smoke they will...) (And no, if they get themselves a monopoly as they are trying, not one ounce of me believes their devices will get any cheaper when mass-produced... that will be just more dollars to line the shareholder-pockets)

completely agree with you Katink. One of the big reason I made the switch was to save some money. There's no way I could afford Ruyan products on a long term basis. $76 for a friggin' battery!?! Are they insane???


Foxy

[dc2k08]

I agree katnik and a regulated product does not mean that it is necessarily safe. look at the state of some of the things they try to hawk...chantix anyone? but it does seem to be the only viable route and it is likely to go that way eventually. The mob need their cut too. the only option for the skint is to maybe have the option of purchasing cheap nicotine liquid that is marked "not for human consumption", but then our families will have no-one to sue when we are found dead as a result of ethylene glycol poisoning.

I'm still not ruling out the possibility that it was a third party that made the complaints. perhaps there is a Big pharm owned device in the making, but I agree that the prime candidate is Ruyan. They also make a range of other pharmaceuticals and this was their original business so they know the industry. their interim reports say that they are actively seeking acceptance at governmental levels for their range of electronic cigarettes(sic).

They do also say in these reports though, that they think the single greatest opportunity for rapid growth and acceptance of their products is by distributing them through traditional tobacco outlets. Last summer they became a member of the National Association of Tobacco Outlets (the other NATO) and their product was greeted with much enthusiasm by its members. They are actively courting the hospitality industry too. are they stuffing eggs in every basket?

by the way, anyone know where one can purchase some of these shares ?