If they banned ecigs, would you stockpile?

[TropicalBob]

Parallx, ask Australians and Mexicans about not being able to ban the devices. The wording there says these devices are solely for the delivery of nicotine. Nicotine is natural in tobacco, a drug in e-liquid. Natural nicotine will remain legal. Extracted nicotine in liquid will remain a drug and insecticide. The liquid can be banned and the devices can be banned for being solely to deliver it.

Getting nicotine of known quantity and quality is something no one in the past year on this forum has been able to do. It's a lot more complicated that boiling some tobacco leaves. How would you suggest a home user go about obtaining nicotine (you certainly can't buy it either).

It's far from paranoid to see the liquid questioned in the U.K while plans likely continue to find a way to ban it, to see devices and liquid banned in Australia, and to see Mexico crack down even on chocolate cigars!!

There is no case anyone could presently make to the FDA that would permit these drug delivery devices of unknown, untested fluid to be legalized for mass sale and use. We are living on borrowed time .. until some Congressman notices us. Our only hope is that clinical trials come to our rescue, proving this practice heathy and safe. But we must acknowledge that restrictions on sale and use are coming.

[cucurucho]

The only way the devices could be banned in Australia is for their resemblance to tobacco products. And I think for a ban to take place, this would require a court case whereby the extent of resemblance required to ban a device is clearly defined.

I think this is unlikely to happen here,.

Also, chocolate and candy cigars/cigarettes have been banned here since 1991.

[Sun Vaporer]

The only way the devices could be banned in Australia is for their resemblance to tobacco products. And I think for a ban to take place, this would require a court case whereby the extent of resemblance required to ban a device is clearly defined.

I think this is unlikely to happen here,.

Also, chocolate and candy cigars/cigarettes have been banned here since 1991.

We are under the impression that they are already banned in Australia??? What is up with that???

[cucurucho]

We are under the impression that they are already banned in Australia??? What is up with that???

The cartridges and liquids containing nicotine are banned. Not the devices.

[Lithium1330]

In Mexico are partially banned for the design (resembles a real product of tobacco), but here the use and possession is not forbiden, the e-liquid is not banned (yet?) this is why we need a new design for this devices.

[cucurucho]

I should also add that if the devices are found to resemble tobacco products in Australia, then it would only be the supply of the devices that is banned, not possession or use of them.

On the other hand, the e-liquid is illegal to supply, possess and/or use.

[Sun Vaporer]

I should also add that if the devices are found to resemble tobacco products in Australia, then it would only be the supply of the devices that is banned, not possession or use of them.

On the other hand, the e-liquid is illegal to supply, possess and/or use.

Thanks for the clarification Cucurucho--I thought they banned the devices as well. Good to know how broad these bans are.

[TropicalBob]

This is the information from the Premier of Victoria as quoted in the Australian ban thread.

“Victoria is banning the retail sale of unregulated nicotine delivery systems which are currently classified in Schedule 7 of the Drugs, Poisons and Controlled Substances Act,” (Health Minister Daniel Andrews) said.

“This will ensure that unregulated nicotine delivery systems for humans are not supplied on the domestic market in any Australian State or Territory.

“The new regulation, to come into effect from 1 January 2009, outlaws the manufacture, sale, supply, purchase, possession or use of nicotine delivery systems for humans that are classified as Schedule 7 poisons, as these products have not been assessed for quality or safety.

The decision will have no effect on the sale of nicotine replacement therapies registered by the Therapeutic Goods Administration which are used to assist people give up smoking.

Good for you if you find wiggle room in that statement. The intent seems crystal clear.

[cucurucho]

TB, yes, that's what he said. But a statement by the Premier can be very different from the actual laws.

His statement actually makes no sense. If you look at any of the laws in the country, you will find that Schedule 7 only deals with substances. Not devices.

I've spoken to several government officials about this myself. His statements about delivery systems being banned are based on the assumption that the devices contain nicotine.

[Sun Vaporer]

That statement is unequivocal to me that it includes the devise. Or am I missing something. "manufacture, sale, supply, purchase, possession or use of nicotine delivery systems" The device is the delivery system as well as the cartridges.