The Real Scoop on FDA & eCigarettes!

[TropicalBob]

Thus I see our duty (as e-smokers) as one to educate and demonstrate the relative innocence of e-smoking. If non-smokers say "meh, it seems harmless enough, doesn't really bother me when you do that", then the battle may soon be won.

When the argument dust settles, this is left: What do we really know about the safety and efficacy of e-smoking?

Zero. Zip. Nothing. We have one incomplete trial in New Zealand. And that study is only Ruyan products. We have nothing to demonstrate or educate about or propagandize except our own rosy opinions. And that won't cut it. In any country.

Find a new argument for e-smoking legitimacy.

[MonkeyMonk]

Just throwing in my 2cents.

Tobacco fields will becom corn fields, and corn fields will become fuel. The farmers and other workers will be absorbed in the corn production

The e-cig could be the Tobacco industry's golden goose, in that they could grow 1N high nic. yielding plant (1N is a genetically altered tobacco that was smuggled out of our country in the 80's and is now being grown in Brazil and sold back to the US and England) vs. regular tobacco plants in a much smaller patch of land.

Then the govt.just taxes the hell out of the e-cig. Tamper proof single serving.

That's the possible spin that I see.

[stpeters]

When the argument dust settles, this is left: What do we really know about the safety and efficacy of e-smoking?

Zero. Zip. Nothing. We have one incomplete trial in New Zealand. And that study is only Ruyan products. We have nothing to demonstrate or educate about or propagandize except our own rosy opinions. And that won't cut it. In any country.

Find a new argument for e-smoking legitimacy.

You are completely correct, yet I believe you overestimate the general public's respect and attention when it comes to actual facts and scientific reasoning. You can watch half-lies and bent truths parading all day on TV as "public education" on what is good for us or not. And people have been lapping it up like kool-aid, no questions asked.

Sorry, guess I just get so frustrated with it all. Sometime not too long ago propaganda almost completely replaced science and logic it seems.

Actually, I was pondering what I said (since I said it), and I wonder... There is perhaps one potential nasty social issue that it may bring up - and once dragged out in public it would be like handing a loaded 357 to the anti-smoking groups and the press in general with which to shoot the electronic cigarette. I wont say it out loud, but I suspect it occurred to you long before it popped in my head. Ugh. It has to do with kids, but NOT them using electronic cigarettes directly.

I only hope that as a combination of big tobacco money and the crushing financial burden of tar-related illnesses once America (if it does) adopts a state-sponsored health coverage like many other countries, that electronic cigarettes are called for once again in the near future.

[stpeters]

Then the govt.just taxes the hell out of the e-cig. Tamper proof single serving.

Tamper proofing something in relation to the end-user is virtually impossible. I think complete regulation of e-juice (nicotine) production, transport and sale would be sufficient for the powers that be. Other potentially dangerous industrial chemicals are handled this way, and that system works quite well most of the time.

How can you refill a cart if you can't buy any e-juice without an "electronic cigarette manufactures permit" and regular production facility inspection, not to mention the nicotine canister auditing and other such fun?

[TropicalBob]

Then the govt.just taxes the hell out of the e-cig. Tamper proof single serving.

Bingo. Right now, I see that as a likely compromise we might have to live with. An example of an e-cig that might gain acceptance is the Ruyan Jazz, a completely disposable, single-unit e-cig. They are the model most like the existing one for commercial cigarettes -- where taxes can be applied, content totally controlled, and the single cig sold only in tobacco stores to those over 18.

No refilling. No battery charging. No multi-strength nic liquid. That's one scenario that might get government approval.

I was once challenged to do a list of 10 reasons why e-cigs would be banned, so the reasons could be confronted and answered. That list is on this forum. Then I did another list of reasons why e-cigs should be allowed. Both are logical lists and both were discussed, with some points being argued strongly by forum members. But, you know what, no one could shoot down all the points in reasons to ban. And it only takes one good reason to stop the sale and use of these. Only one.

[bml]

Another news from Hong Kong, but it is in Chinese. I’m not good in translation, so I’m only pointing out some points.
Ÿ The spokeman from Hong Kong's Department of Health said that the vapor has 2nd hand smoke effect, so it affects other people’s health. (omg, he actually said that.)
Ÿ In addition to the arrest in Sham Shui Po, they arrest a man who owns a e-cig store in a mall located in Wan Chai. However, they didn’t arrest another owner who owns another e-cig store in the same mall. (I don’t know why another store is okay.)
Ÿ One of the type seized electronic cigarettes is made by Syjinlong, which is a children company of Ruyan. Ruyan is on Hong Kong stock exchange. (0329.HK)

I think it’s gonna be alright. Especially when a ten years old can buy real cigarette at seven-eleven, they cannot ban e-cigs. Also look at dealextreme.com, which is located in Hong Kong, they are still selling e-cigs.

[dc2k08]

thanks for this. can you post the link? and have you a link for Syjinlong?

[DaveyRoots]

curious, and this micht be a dumb question but, how are e cigs marketed in europe? I read somewhere that in Austria and Denmark there considered medical devices and carts aer perscriptions? just cusious if there sold as stop smoking solutions there or not. there is a Kiosk at fashion valley mall in san diego that sells cheapo super minis for like $150 and have never heard of liquid refilling lol

[bml]

thanks for this. can you post the link? and have you a link for Syjinlong?

I cannot post link yet, but I think this would help:
syjinlong.com/Article

you can use this to translate:
babelfish.yahoo.com/

Also, I was mean to post this to another thread. Oh well...at least this is related.