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| View Poll Results: What requirements should the FDA put on e-liquid? | |||
| Childproof caps | | 56 | 76.71% |
| Prominent poison warnings on label | | 55 | 75.34% |
| Ingredient listings on label | | 57 | 78.08% |
| 3rd party analysis results available | | 32 | 43.84% |
| Batch testing performed and certified | | 38 | 52.05% |
| Restriction of sale to minors | | 58 | 79.45% |
| Expiration date on label | | 53 | 72.60% |
| Manufacturer listed on label | | 44 | 60.27% |
| pH level listed on label | | 9 | 12.33% |
| Nicotine concentration in standardized format [mg/ml] listed on label | | 62 | 84.93% |
| Safety pamphlet in box (dosing, interaction, OD treatment info) | | 46 | 63.01% |
| None at all | | 5 | 6.85% |
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| | #141 | |
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That's the whole reason it was selected for use in E-Liquid. Yes, the manufacturers did *not* drop the ball. We are not in the dark, as you say. *You* may be in the dark, but I am well aware that PG is GRAS by the FDA. It's used in fog machines at night clubs...which generate far more vapor than an e-cig at high levels of inhalation.
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| Full Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Hi Kate, I commend you on your stand on animal testing. It's a contentious issue and I'm glad that it's not used as frivolously as it once was used by such groups like the cosmetic industry. Unfortunatly, it's my understanding, that certain medical analisys cannot be determined without it. Prehaps e-cigs could be properly tested and evaluated without it. Ultimately I think it needs to be before being released to the public. Mark Quote:
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| Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK
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I hear what you're saying Mark and do agree that if something new is being released there should be a reasonable amount of caution and testing. I don't want to go back to smoking while we wait for someone to take the initiative to test and evaluate all the risks of vaping. If I'm not told lies I can make up my own mind about doing it or not. You could be saying what the FDA will say however and we might not be allowed to carry on. |
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| | #144 |
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Every chemical has been tested....the manufacturers did not drop the ball...the only ball the MFG's dropped was labeling of product.
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| | #145 | |
| Full Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Hi DisMan, Please provide the link to your source? The only studies I've read so far do not include long term exposure. Perhaps I missed this one. Thanks. Mark Quote:
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| | #146 |
| Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK
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Only nicotine and propylene glycol have testing results for inhaling as far as I know. The flavourings could be a big worry, not everything suitable to eat is safe for lungs - Inhaling Flavouring Chemicals Some flavourings cause lung disease when inhaled. Glycerine isn't tested nor is the new ingredient PEG400 as far as I know. |
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| | #147 | |
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Seriously, that's a reach. Now, if you would like to have such studies, talk to people who work night clubs for a living and their use of fog machines. Link fog machine usage to cancer in night club DJ's. Now you have an argument. Until then, this is a moot point that is irrelevant. Don't get me wrong...there are people with allergies out there. But long term exposure studies on every product to be marketed? Come on now... Fog machines have been used in theatrics for enough time to show a trend for threat. I'm sure TB can show the link to the study that showed PG has some potential virucidal effects and no ill effects on a group of like 300 children.
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| | #148 | |
| Full Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Hi Kate, I agree. I'm currently in a transition phase between tradional cigs and e-smoking and I would hate to loose the use of my e-cig. Having said that I recognize the importance of the FDA, Health Canada, ect... in ensuring that products released to the general public are indeed safe. In all fairness traditional cigarettes should have been band many moons ago. Hopefully if politics don't get in the way e-cigs will have an opportunity of proving itself as a safe alternative. Mark Quote:
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| Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida
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Prolonged PG contact is essentially non-irritating to the skin. Undiluted PG is minimally irritating to the eye, and can produce slight transient conjunctivitis (the eye recovers after the exposure is removed). Exposure to mists may cause eye irritation, as well as upper respiratory tract irritation.18 Inhalation of the PG vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of PG mists may be irritating to some individuals. Therefore inhalation exposure to mists of these materials should be avoided. In general, Dow does not support or recommend the use of PG in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.19-- Sun See 19 A Guide to Glycols (File Not Found), page 36. |
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| Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK
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Just to try to get this thread back to the point a little. Forgetting the pros and cons and rights and wrongs, what are the possibilities of eliquid becoming a controlled substance? If it does come under FDA definitions of controlled substance what restrictions would that mean? Anyone know? |
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