Why shouldn't the FDA interfere?

[Nuck]

The only thing better than a wall of text, are clones of the wall of text.

[Kate]

The FDA have said eliquid is a drug that needs approval before use but they've tolerated sales for a while now.

In Australia eliquid has been classed as a poison for regulation. Although it's not legal to use they are not enforcing the laws on private use. The FDA might take the same line.

In the UK the Poisons Act was tried and ruled out. Medical and healthcare regulators have said it's not their issue unless claims are made about NRT or health and they've told traders not to use that sort of marketing language. Presumably it's going to be classed as a new drug here too if those claims continue to be made but until then they are not making a fuss. It looks like unless a big scandal breaks (like a death from poisoning or something) they're not taking an active role although they could if they chose to for the same reasons as the FDA.

I suppose it boils down to what tips the authorities over the edge to do something. They can justify action but can also justify non-action because without health or NRT claims nothing is clearly their problem.

Marketing, manufacturing and trading standards won't be enforced unless the FDA says it's their issue. If they do take it on as a responsibility of theirs then the first thing they will have to do is to stop distribution until safety criteria (testing, trials, etc) are met.

[TropicalBob]

That same post was made in the News thread ... Arrrrgh. Thanks for clueing him in, Kate.

[LaceyUnderall]

1. The nicotine strength we need eliminates hope of this being homeopathic. I, for one, am not interested in sucking on impotent vapor.

I am finding this to be true sadly. But... there is still hope for the lobela inflata as it can be 3X to be OTC. So... we are going to whip up a homebrew concoction and see if that does the trick.

[WerkIt]

... there is still hope for the lobela inflata as it can be 3X to be OTC.

I was under the impression the lobelia blocks nicotine receptors in the brain, rather than being a possible replacement for nicotine. Am I missing something?

[LaceyUnderall]

I was under the impression the lobelia blocks nicotine receptors in the brain, rather than being a possible replacement for nicotine. Am I missing something?

I have a pharmacist friend who is going to look into this as I am not a chemist at all. However it is my understanding that lobelia offers a similar reaction as nicotine, just not as strong.

Lobelia inflata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Kate]

This reminds me of the kids book by Roald Dahl - George's Marvellous Medicine

Lacey's Amazing Elixir.

[LaceyUnderall]

I love Roald Dahl! My favorite is still James and the Giant Peach.

Well if it does the trick, I will slap a cute little label on it and ship you some so you can give it a test drive! Apparently, you can get lobelia pretty easy. We shall see because that would be freaking awesome! (It sounds to good to be true so it probably is... oh well... you know me... ride the idea till it dies.)

[Kate]

Lol, absolutely but don't get your hopes up too high, it's not going to sound attractive to everyone. I'd love to try a sample but if it doesn't keep me feeling normal I might not be able to swap.

[DisMan]

Stop acting like a recalcitrant 15-year-old. You cite the study, be prepared to back it up with a link. Don't hide behind cornflakes. We should be sharing information for the benefit of all, not slinging mud to prove how "smart" we are. This is our health at stake, and people are right to question assertions. While we are in 100% agreement about labeling, if you think no one should be VALIDATING those labels and inspecting products for purity, then you are a trusting soul indeed.

Wow. That's all I can say anymore. Just wow. I've been personally attacked at least 3 times now.....quit responding all emotional.

Incredible.

Oh, and I did supply the link well before your reply.

"Hiding behind corn flakes"....I don't understand why people can't equate that what they're requesting of e-liquid is beyond what we request from our food.

Go eat another Big Mac....maybe you'll feel better.

In virtually every Disman post, he uses an advertising technique known as the "straw man." Set up a diversion to distract attention from the only issue at hand. Let me set one up:

Wow...so, questioning why somebody would hold e-liquid to a higher standard there everything else is a straw man tactic? Seriously?

You want to question things....unless the questioning goes against your own personal agenda. Then it's insulting...and then the insults fly towards the person bringing up the questions?

Just...WOW! You guys are awesome! You act just like the anti-smoking people....oh wait, they're people too.