Why shouldn't the FDA interfere?

[Bellinghamster]

While we might not know the long term effect, I don't think it's unreasonable to know what we're ingesting. Then we take the calculated risk.

As to government's role in protecting us and others, I think it gets carried WAY too far most of the time. I value personal liberty above all. I submit that government DOES have a role in making sure that we are protected from mislabeled or misleading products.

We should have the Right To Vape, but we should know what we're vaping for our own safety...

[ChadmanMn]

It would be nice if there was a catch-all rule that manufacturers could conform with until further testing can be done. You would think that some kind of disclaimer should cover this for now, but we all know that govt's are rarely satisfied with a logical approach like I'm suggesting.

[bishop]

the US government is famous for tossing grant money around like its confetti, I'm curious if anyone has applied for a grant to test eciggs and do a study on either usage, habits, or content

[surbitonPete]

Originally Posted by bishop

i stand corrected and apologize
I just tend to go into rant mood at the thought of other people making decisions for me about what i can and cannot do to myself of my own free will.

I believe the government has a job to protect the citizens but I don't think they should have the right to control our daily habits as long as the habits don't hurt others.

most people dont understand that politics rule what is banned and what isn't, lobbyists that contribute money control markets to their favor, this isn't how laws are supposed to be passed but sadly the corrupt polliticians will never change that.

I am with you there Bishop......I am so fed up with governments trying to control my every waking hour....give me advice and let me make my own decisions ....stupid or not.

[Walrus]

Originally Posted by Bellinghamster

While we might not know the long term effect, I don't think it's unreasonable to know what we're ingesting. Then we take the calculated risk.

As to government's role in protecting us and others, I think it gets carried WAY too far most of the time. I value personal liberty above all. I submit that government DOES have a role in making sure that we are protected from mislabeled or misleading products.

We should have the Right To Vape, but we should know what we're vaping for our own safety...

I'd recommend using TW"s liquids then... there's a full run-down of the ingredients on the bottle.

[Bellinghamster]

Originally Posted by Walrus

I'd recommend using TW"s liquids then... there's a full run-down of the ingredients on the bottle.

I do (among others), but who is validating those listed ingredients? Where is the testing and oversight? I'm not saying anything bad about TW, they are front-runners in the safety game and A+ in my book. I just think independent review is the only rational way to acceptance. It protects both us and them.

[strayling]

Originally Posted by Walrus

I'd recommend using TW"s liquids then... there's a full run-down of the ingredients on the bottle.

But do you believe them? I'm all for the FDA simply enforcing purity standards; my worry is that they'll bow to pressure from people who want to ban vaping because they personally don't like the idea of others doing it.

[surbitonPete]

Originally Posted by strayling

But do you believe them? I'm all for the FDA simply enforcing purity standards; my worry is that they'll bow to pressure from people who want to ban vaping because they personally don't like the idea of others doing it.

That's the trouble with no enforcable quality control..the Chinese could start making some batches with almost anything.

[soylantgreen]

FDA can't even keep salmonella out of peanutbutter, I wouldn't want them regulating e-cigs.

I'm also betting that the big tobacco and pharma lobbyists will have no impact on FDAs decision to ban whatsoever.

[Calaban]

Bellinghamster,

Your original post was very well thought out and expressed, and I agree 100%.

I too have concerns about the long term effects of vaping and I wish there were some standards in place. Eventually I think there will be, but it will take an all out ban, then some lawsuits, then some testing and regulating etc.

The one thing that keeps me from worrying too much about the health effects of vaping is this:

I smoked analogs for 25 years. I was a heavy smoker for the last 15-20 of those years. In the last 10 years I have FELT physically terrible from smoking....terrible to the point that I was convinced I has cancer or some other horrible disease. I was living in fear every day. It was a terrible existence.

Now that I have started vaping, I have not smoked an analog in 2 weeks, and I actually FEEL the difference. My horrible smokers cough is pretty much gone and I'm not getting the chest pains I dealt with for so many years. I don't get winded walking from my car to my house. I am happier, not scared all the time, and I just feel so much healthier.

I know that these reasons aren't scientific, but they are enough to give me a damn good gut feeling about vaping.

I definitely agree that we need standards of safety across the board though.

-Cal