Why shouldn't the FDA interfere?

[Caesarea]

Agree with Tropical Bob - right to vape + duty to remove the dubious.

[Kate]

I can't remember the exact quote but I read this years ago:

'The difference between a tragedy and a comedy is that in a comedy the characters work out the plot before it's too late.'

Working out scenarios and making plans to avoid potential tragic events (risk assessment) is the best way to end up having a laugh.


http://www.creativity-engineering.com/comtrag.html

[TropicalBob]

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry!

I am sure you're not arguing for continuing a lack of knowledge. Is this a test, teacher? I choose comedy.

[Kate]

Oh, sorry TBob.

I'm not really arguing about anything to be honest. Reading this thread made me feel a bit philosophical and reminded me of that quote I read long ago.

It seems to me that we go back and forth between comedy and tragedy with our discussions and I guess I'd rather we end up laughing.

Maybe in a way I'm agreeing with the points made to reduce risks by improving packaging and safety measures.

Sorry I was a bit obscure

[HK45]

Where in the Constitution of the United States does it state that it is the government's responsibility to protect us from ourselves? The American people have been slowly giving up their rights for the past few decades that they are used to it. They want a Big Brother to take care of them.
Examples: Although I use these devices by choice, are seatbelt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, etc.. Situations where I am endangering only myself, no one else!
In matters like these you have a choice; go back to analogs, chew some Nicorette, put on a patch, but don't infringe on my rights!
Benjamin Franklin said it best, I think:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[Nuck]

You confuse your right to risk your own health with a suppliers right to risk the health of children. Not even a parent has that right. Safe packaging just isn't a constitutional issue.

Edit: You also assume that suppliers don't ship outside of the US which isn't the case.

[vape4life]

If a supplier is MISLEADING by their claims, then it is the government's authority to step in (on a strictly philosophical level). Otherwise, it's nobodies business but my own.

Via J.S. Mill, the foundational philosopher of all modern-day democratic systems.

[HK45]

You confuse your right to risk your own health with a suppliers right to risk the health of children. Not even a parent has that right. Safe packaging just isn't a constitutional issue.

Edit: You also assume that suppliers don't ship outside of the US which isn't the case.

Nuck,

Did you read only half of the post and miss where I stated "in situations where I am endangering only myself, no one else"?

[Nuck]

If a supplier is MISLEADING by their claims, then it is the government's authority to step in (on a strictly philosophical level). Otherwise, it's nobodies business but my own.

On a strictly philosophical you are probably right. In the real world, governments enact laws to protect society. Traffic lights, product testing, product packaging, warning labels, etc can all be argued that they infringe on individual liberty. Absolute freedom in a society doesn't exist, never has and never will.

The only real debate is how far a government can and should go in it's effort to protect. Arguing against safe packaging and labeling on a highly poisonous liquid that is bottled with candy flavorings is a bit silly. You can argue it, but I promise you, the governments are not going to agree.

[Nuck]

Nuck,

Did you read only half of the post and miss where I stated "in situations where I am endangering only myself, no one else"?

I assumed you were referring to living alone with your liquid. Unfortunately, suppliers (which is the debate we are having) ship to a wide variety of people. If you want to take the liquid out of the safe packaging and have a bath in it, go for it. Nobody is trying to take that right away from you. We're just arguing the inevitability of safe packaging for the juice at a supplier level.