Why shouldn't the FDA interfere?

[HK45]

If a supplier is MISLEADING by their claims, then it is the government's authority to step in (on a strictly philosophical level). Otherwise, it's nobodies business but my own.

Via J.S. Mill, the foundational philosopher of all modern-day democratic systems.

vape4life,

Couldn't agree more.

[HK45]

I assumed you were referring to living alone with your liquid. Unfortunately, suppliers (which is the debate we are having) ship to a wide variety of people. If you want to take the liquid out of the safe packaging and have a bath in it, go for it. Nobody is trying to take that right away from you. We're just arguing the inevitability of safe packaging for the juice at a supplier level.

Nuck,

If you read a little further back in this thread you will see that it pertains mostly to the FDA's pending bans and regulations on e-cigs in general. That is my concern.
Can't imagine why anyone would be arguing against child-proof packaging, although even that boils down to the responsibility of the parent to protect their own child, doesn't it?

[Nuck]

Nuck,

If you read a little further back in this thread you will see that it pertains mostly to the FDA's pending bans and regulations on e-cigs in general. That is my concern.
Can't imagine why anyone would be arguing against child-proof packaging, although even that boils down to the responsibility of the parent to protect their own child, doesn't it?

You're right. The thread topic has wandered a bit and I apologize. It's a bit of a button issue for me. I'll back off now

[Caesarea]

Should add: I'm for liberty too with space for personal courage and independence.

Still, no saint, was also thinking of myself as much as others.

[Kate]

I think all drugs should be legalised, prohibition doesn't work, the only winners are the black marketeers.

[JJames68]

The consumer has a lot of power to steer change.

If we as the people who buy the liquids, only bought from the companies who currently use childproof packaging and clear labelling (TW UK and JC NA etc) then the other will need to shape up or ship out ??

Also these companies are showing more responsibility, and not just trying to cash in the easy way, so they are the companies that we want to be fighting our corner when legislation is being discussed.

The companies that have good labelling and packaging have already started to show a commitment to us, how about we do the same and force the rest to either follow suit or go out of business ?

I think the best liquid is more important then child safety caps on bottles at the moment, just make she you keep your juice up where kids can not reach them, just like you would with bug spray, polish remover, guns, GLUE, ect....

besides, when the FDA takes over they like to feel they are doing something, adding this child safety requirement would make them feel they did something

[HK45]

You're right. The thread topic has wandered a bit and I apologize. It's a bit of a button issue for me. I'll back off now

Nuck,

No harm, no foul. :-) We all seem to be passionate about this and that is good. A little healthy debate never hurt anyone. Apology accepted but not necessary. Sorry if I was a little blunt.

[JJames68]

I think all drugs should be legalised, prohibition doesn't work, the only winners are the black marketeers.

while there are definitely some drugs I do not think people should do, I agree with you 100%

[taukimada]

don't get me wrong here...

i am FULLY for the idea of child-proofing the juice.. 100%

but... the ultimate responsibility comes down to the user of the juice..

i noted that someone equated it to the bleach under your kitchen sink... BINGO!!.. exactly WHY do children not grab that and drink it??.. simple.. they've been TAUGHT not to

we've grown into a lazy world where we seem to think children come with their own set of instructions to save themselves and that the government should cover everything those instructions don't.

if you have pets... and/or children.. keep stuff out of their everyday reach and TEACH your children not to play with the little bottles.. it really is that simple.. that responsibility falls on YOU.. not the government.. not the supplier.. YOU!

warning labels.. ingredient lists... hellz yeah.. it's needed.. let's get there BEFORE they make us because then we've averted their eventual control for a while

if the manufacturers and suppliers do the right things before the fda steps in we can mayhaps walk away without intervention.. it CAN be done.. just ask alcohol companies.. government backed off of them when they WILLINGLY removed billboard advertisements.. now here we are years later and the adverts are starting to pop up again.. and government hasn't even taken a second look.. YET... all because they did it on their own and showed they copuld be responsible if they needed to be.

[HK45]

I think all drugs should be legalised, prohibition doesn't work, the only winners are the black marketeers.

Kate,

Prohibition doesn't work and only creates rich thugs, violence, and death.