FDA Stuff ... Bottom Line?

[booboo]

So where the F---- was the FDA 50 years ago or even 20? They let us all get hooked on this garbage, and now they don't want us to have a healthier alternative now that we all have lung cancer, emphysema, copd and whatever else? That really pisses me off. Oh, they will let us have our addiction as long as we are pouring our money into cigarettes, but if it's something we have more control of and might not kill us as fast, then we can't have it? BS!

[QueenInNC]

Originally Posted by booboo

So where the F---- was the FDA 50 years ago or even 20? They let us all get hooked on this garbage, and now they don't want us to have a healthier alternative now that we all have lung cancer, emphysema, copd and whatever else? That really pisses me off. Oh, they will let us have our addiction as long as we are pouring our money into cigarettes, but if it's something we have more control of and might not kill us as fast, then we can't have it? BS!

My thoughts exactly!

[Sun Vaporer]

Originally Posted by booboo

So where the F---- was the FDA 50 years ago or even 20? They let us all get hooked on this garbage, and now they don't want us to have a healthier alternative now that we all have lung cancer, emphysema, copd and whatever else? That really pisses me off. Oh, they will let us have our addiction as long as we are pouring our money into cigarettes, but if it's something we have more control of and might not kill us as fast, then we can't have it? BS!

Boo--you have a good point. I would go further though and ask the question--"Is it economically feasible to cure cancer?" Cancer is a money maker from the Hospitals, the Doctors, and the Drugs. What would it be like if cancer was cured? Whould all of the Hospitals gladly be turned into Librarys. Would the Doctors love going back to delivering babies? And lets not forget about big Phama with their Chemo Drugs--they would enjoy taking one for the team and enjoy seeing their market vanish if cancer was cured?? IMO-----Sun

[booboo]

If they'd have made cigarettes too tightly regulated to get, none of us would even be here right now and wouldn't need a damn substitute!! (sorry, still ranting!)

[vape4life]

Well, personally, I don't think they should regulate anything. We are adults. We should be able to consume what we want, and take risks as we please. They shouldn't regulate tobacco, and they shouldn't regulate this.

[mace bewley]

Like anything else, I think the government is trying to find a way to tax it.
Just my .02. i don't think that it is an issue of safety, cause if it was they would have already banned cigarettes.

mace

[Jhamer]

Exactly Mace! You got it, and they will. They will make importing of e-cigs illegal, but then they will start manufacturing them in the US and tax the ***** outta them. As long as they are making the dollar not the small independant online stores and such.

[TropicalBob]

Please abandon one misconception that is being repeated here:

The FDA does not now and never has had jurisdiction over tobacco products. It might be given that authority later this year, but Congress must first approve it and the President must sign a bill that has already passed the House and will be taken up soon in the Senate. Right now, the FDA does NOT regulate tobacco and didn't help hook any addict on nicotine.

The FDA is responsible for the safety and efficacy of drugs and foods. E-liquid is a drug. It is not tobacco. It is not a tobacco product outside FDA jurisdiction. The job of FDA is protect everyone in this country from the marketing of dangerous or hazardous drugs. It's not your "freedom of choice" being challenged. It's the fact that to market a new drug (which the mixed e-liquid is), an approval is needed. And the makers of e-liquid didn't get that approval. None of us know what exactly we're inhaling -- or the consequences of our action. Matters of this magnitude go way beyond "I like it, I want it."

Now, the FDA must consider whether to allow this new drug (unregulated, with terribly inadequate packaging and no guarantee of contents or quality) to continue to be sold or to call a halt to sales while assurances of safety are studied.

This one is easy, unfortunately, and every civilized country in the world is traveling the same route. These cannot be allowed to continue on the market without greater assurances than "faith" in some Chinese unknown liquid.

You want approval? Then hope responsible makers like Ruyan can win proper certifications. Without it, kiss today's practice goodbye.

[Walrus]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Please abandon one misconception that is being repeated here:

The FDA does not now and never has had jurisdiction over tobacco products. It might be given that authority later this year, but Congress must first approve it and the President must sign a bill that has already passed the House and will be taken up soon in the Senate. Right now, the FDA does NOT regulate tobacco and didn't help hook any addict on nicotine.

The FDA is responsible for the safety and efficacy of drugs and foods. E-liquid is a drug. It is not tobacco. It is not a tobacco product outside FDA jurisdiction. The job of FDA is protect everyone in this country from the marketing of dangerous or hazardous drugs. It's not your "freedom of choice" being challenged. It's the fact that to market a new drug (which the mixed e-liquid is), an approval is needed. And the makers of e-liquid didn't get that approval. None of us know what exactly we're inhaling -- or the consequences of our action. Matters of this magnitude go way beyond "I like it, I want it."

Now, the FDA must consider whether to allow this new drug (unregulated, with terribly inadequate packaging and no guarantee of contents or quality) to continue to be sold or to call a halt to sales while assurances of safety are studied.

This one is easy, unfortunately, and every civilized country in the world is traveling the same route. These cannot be allowed to continue on the market without greater assurances than "faith" in some Chinese unknown liquid.

You want approval? Then hope responsible makers like Ruyan can win proper certifications. Without it, kiss today's practice goodbye.

Bob,

With Totally Wicked's packaging, toxicology reports, etc... do you think they (as a producer of the e-liquid) are on the right path to obtain FDA approval? I know this wouldn't approve e-liquids in general, but for their products alone?

[riddle80]

I thought only the companies who claim to be healthy or NRTs/quit smoking devices will be illegal to sell and market? Is it not these claims that raised the FDA's eyebrows in the first place? I was under the impression that making these 2 claims in particular is what classified them as a new drug, and only these companies would be affected.

It's been said many times, but I don't see how they could possibly regulate the devices themselves. I think it would be wise for all suppliers to begin importing and selling the kits and liquids separately.