FDA Stuff ... Bottom Line?

[Obi Wan]

So is this the bottom line of it all ,,
The fda is officially saying e-cigs with nicotine are illegal and they are going to ban any sales and also stop any imports ?
and that they will remain illegal until someone does testing that they may or may not approve.
which could take months or years or never..

[Sun Vaporer]

Originally Posted by Obi Wan

So is this the bottom line of it all ,,
The fda is officially saying e-cigs with nicotine are illegal and they are going to ban any sales and also stop any imports ?
and that they will remain illegal until someone does testing that they may or may not approve.
which could take months or years or never..

We do not know the Scope of what the FDA will do yet--Sun

[Obi Wan]

this site is awesome and depressing at the same time..
depressing because so many of us found something that finally seems to help us quit smoking analogs..
and its awesome because its so interesting to read everything about this new invention.
but somewhere on almost every subject T-Bob comes in and gives it a shot of reality that seems to lead to the FACT that the fda could care less about our opinions and needs testing done for safety before they would even consider a certificate or approval.
which actually makes sense but we dont want these banned..
i just hope it doesnt take years,,but i sense a disturbance in the force and im losing optimism...

time for a beer...

[Kate]

Don't forget that nicotine eliquid is banned in Australia but the ban is not being enforced on personal use. That might be the line the FDA takes or they might only stop commercial shipments aimed at health and NRT sales.

Until they actually stop citizens from vaping then everything is conjecture.

[TropicalBob]

Walrus: Jason of Totally Wicked and Christian of Johnson Creek have been forum members for a long time, have taken smart suggestions made on this forum, and implemented them.

Any vial or bottle containing a poison needs to be child-proof AND tamper-proof, have adequate warnings of poison prominently displayed, have a place and time of manufacture on it along with a production line number, and have an ingredient list with the packaging. They have done much toward that direction.

There are dangers with e-liquid. Those need to be spelled out -- to consumers and for first reponders in case of poisoning.

Let's not give any authority an easy and logical reason to ban use of a liquid we all have come to need. Let's just make it -- provably -- safe.

[CandyGirl]

Originally Posted by Obi Wan

this site is awesome and depressing at the same time..
depressing because so many of us found something that finally seems to help us quit smoking analogs..
and its awesome because its so interesting to read everything about this new invention.
but somewhere on almost every subject T-Bob comes in and gives it a shot of reality that seems to lead to the FACT that the fda could care less about our opinions and needs testing done for safety before they would even consider a certificate or approval.
which actually makes sense but we dont want these banned..
i just hope it doesnt take years,,but i sense a disturbance in the force and im losing optimism...

time for a beer...

funny while i was reading your post i kept thinking "help us obi wan kenobe, you're our only hope". lol

[LaceyUnderall]

Originally Posted by Sun Vaporer

Boo--you have a good point. I would go further though and ask the question--"Is it economically feasible to cure cancer?" Cancer is a money maker from the Hospitals, the Doctors, and the Drugs. What would it be like if cancer was cured? Whould all of the Hospitals gladly be turned into Librarys. Would the Doctors love going back to delivering babies? And lets not forget about big Phama with their Chemo Drugs--they would enjoy taking one for the team and enjoy seeing their market vanish if cancer was cured?? IMO-----Sun

Bingo. Until the health care system is NOT focused on profit and is focused on health, these problems will continue.

There is no way the device can be labeled a drug delivery device. They are exactly similar to other vaporizers on the market and any lawyer could argue that one. The eliquid is another story. However, to really ban it? Well, it may be bumpy for awhile but our eliquids will prevail. We may have to make some concessions but the concept is here to stay.

If anyone doesn't believe me, then imagine the day that someone does attempt to take them away for good. What will you do? Will you sit there idly and not say anything? If so, you should not be on this forum. If you are on this forum, you should be prepared to speak up when that time comes.

We are citizens of mostly free countries and as adults, we have the right to smoke an alternative to something that profits the pharmaceutical and tobacco companies. Both of those industries have proven to kill their users. Show me a dead e-smoker.

[yvilla]

Originally Posted by riddle80

I thought only the companies who claim to be healthy or NRTs/quit smoking devices will be illegal to sell and market? Is it not these claims that raised the FDA's eyebrows in the first place? I was under the impression that making these 2 claims in particular is what classified them as a new drug, and only these companies would be affected.

It's been said many times, but I don't see how they could possibly regulate the devices themselves. I think it would be wise for all suppliers to begin importing and selling the kits and liquids separately.

Riddle, I agree that it may only be some ecigs and some companies that the FDA might target, and I just posted this on another thread, regarding the FDA's alleged condemnation of all ecigs as "drug delivery devices" for a "new drug":

Or, is [the argument that the FDA has no jurisdiction over ecigs] only no longer valid as applied to those marketing ecigs as NRT or smoking cessation devices? And conceivably still valid as applied to those who are very careful in their marketing?

This quote from another FDA representative is what I'm referring to:

"In the US, the Food and Drug Administration has "detained and refused" several brands of electronic cigarettes because they were considered unapproved new drugs and could not be legally marketed in the country, said press officer Christopher Kelly. He did not give more details, but said the determination of whether an e-cig is a drug is made on a case-by-case basis after the agency considers its intended use, labeling and advertising."

eCig sales soar online: Sci-Tech: News: News24

Here is the original thread I posted that in, for its full context:

smartfixx excerpt from website

[tsb]

ummm, i'm very worried, i'm about to place a large order to try to become an independent reseller, but if i do place this order and they are seized by customs i'm gonna be out 10k for nothing. i really dont know what to do now. suggestions anyone?

[CandyGirl]

SPIN THE WHEEL!!! lol