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ritalee76 · 03-13-2009, 07:54 AM

Can someone explain this to me like I'm a 3rd grader?

Is it going to be banned or not?

I've tried reading through the threads about it and it just seems like a bunch of arguing.

Just wanting to know. I have a big closet. And a credit card. I'm not afraid to use both.

Walrus · 03-13-2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ritalee76

Can someone explain this to me like I'm a 3rd grader?

Just wanting to know. I have a big closet. And a credit card. I'm not afraid to use both.

Lol, in that case, don't forget to tip your DJ

Sun Vaporer · 03-13-2009, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ritalee76

Can someone explain this to me like I'm a 3rd grader?

Is it going to be banned or not?

I've tried reading through the threads about it and it just seems like a bunch of arguing.

Just wanting to know. I have a big closet. And a credit card. I'm not afraid to use both.

Rita--the FDA decided to speak yesterday--they could have declined to comment at all--but that is not what the did. Here is the quote again
"It is illegal to sell or market them, and the FDA is looking into this,'' said Rita Chappelle, an agency spokeswoman.
Asked if that meant the FDA would crack down on the dozens of mall kiosks nationwide where the product is being sold like perfume and cellphone covers, Chappelle said: "This is an open case. Beyond that I can not comment.''
When the FDA makes a statement like that –only the scope of their action and the timing of it are now in question–How broad that scope will be is still unknown----Sun

ritalee76 · 03-13-2009, 08:07 AM

Wow.

Gonna have to move my shoe collection to make room for my stockpile.

And tip the DJ

Walrus · 03-13-2009, 09:19 AM

Instead of a tip jar, I'm gonna put an empty glass dropper bottle on my table with a card that says "Will work for e-juice!"

TropicalBob · 03-13-2009, 03:48 PM

Sun presented the statement accurately. The FDA has determined e-devices are not legal. Period. It didn't say some, or those with zero nic. But ... don't expect SWAT teams to crash the local mall. Not gonna happen. The first step will be to notify Customs to step up confiscations of shipments being imported. We can see that happening already. Shut down the supply from overseas and the battle has been tipped. We depend on imports.

Next would come a declaration of policy that e-devices are illegal to sell. Notice the absence of the words "possess" or "use". We can still have them. We can still use them. We just can't buy any more supplies. That will be the bottom line.

To stop this trend, manufacturers will need to meet FDA approval guidelines for marketing a new drug and drug delivery device. That will take some time. Do keep in mind that the FDA doesn't test on its own; it reviews tests from makers. It can also seek tests from independent labs, which it does in food contamination cases. Whatever, the FDA won't issue any report of lab findings that it made. There won't be any to report.

I'm good for about a year now. No need to restock for that time. Long term ... we are going to know soon if anyone went to bat for us.

booboo · 03-13-2009, 04:00 PM

In 3rd grader language, "****"!

exogenesis · 03-13-2009, 04:20 PM

If/when the FDA decide to move on suppliers, presumably that would be
USA specific.

So could it still be the case that if the UK (or other country's) authorities
are slower to (or never) ban sales, then USA citizens could still buy from
overseas without e.g. trading standards or customs imponding the stuff ?

TropicalBob · 03-13-2009, 05:22 PM

Regulation will be country by country, so the UK could have legal e-smoking no matter the U.S. action. But shutting down imports at the American borders will be the first enforcement effort. No more online orders to China. The FDA statements have made that fact very clear.

It's just a matter of watching stepped-up action from Customs. More confiscations. Followed by short supplies. Higher prices for available product that does get through.

But there are many possibilities for enforcement that could be a lot worse. We're in wait-and-see mode.

vape4life · 03-13-2009, 08:19 PM

Actually, a vast majority of imports are not opened. I have ordered many packages from china (greater than 100 total over many years) and I can't remember a SINGLE one that was opened.

As long as it is a discrete order (small, envelope package preferable, tagged as a gift, etc... the basics) you will have no problem importing. Regardless of what the FDA decides.

I guess if you are ordering from a supplier using an address that they have tagged as problematic, you might have trouble.

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03-13-2009, 03:48 PM	#6
TropicalBob ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,076	Sun presented the statement accurately. The FDA has determined e-devices are not legal. Period. It didn't say some, or those with zero nic. But ... don't expect SWAT teams to crash the local mall. Not gonna happen. The first step will be to notify Customs to step up confiscations of shipments being imported. We can see that happening already. Shut down the supply from overseas and the battle has been tipped. We depend on imports. Next would come a declaration of policy that e-devices are illegal to sell. Notice the absence of the words "possess" or "use". We can still have them. We can still use them. We just can't buy any more supplies. That will be the bottom line. To stop this trend, manufacturers will need to meet FDA approval guidelines for marketing a new drug and drug delivery device. That will take some time. Do keep in mind that the FDA doesn't test on its own; it reviews tests from makers. It can also seek tests from independent labs, which it does in food contamination cases. Whatever, the FDA won't issue any report of lab findings that it made. There won't be any to report. I'm good for about a year now. No need to restock for that time. Long term ... we are going to know soon if anyone went to bat for us.

03-13-2009, 04:20 PM	#8
exogenesis ὅπερ ἔδει δεῖξαι Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 558	If/when the FDA decide to move on suppliers, presumably that would be USA specific. So could it still be the case that if the UK (or other country's) authorities are slower to (or never) ban sales, then USA citizens could still buy from overseas without e.g. trading standards or customs imponding the stuff ?

03-13-2009, 05:22 PM	#9
TropicalBob ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,076	Regulation will be country by country, so the UK could have legal e-smoking no matter the U.S. action. But shutting down imports at the American borders will be the first enforcement effort. No more online orders to China. The FDA statements have made that fact very clear. It's just a matter of watching stepped-up action from Customs. More confiscations. Followed by short supplies. Higher prices for available product that does get through. But there are many possibilities for enforcement that could be a lot worse. We're in wait-and-see mode.

03-13-2009, 08:19 PM	#10
vape4life Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 55	Actually, a vast majority of imports are not opened. I have ordered many packages from china (greater than 100 total over many years) and I can't remember a SINGLE one that was opened. As long as it is a discrete order (small, envelope package preferable, tagged as a gift, etc... the basics) you will have no problem importing. Regardless of what the FDA decides. I guess if you are ordering from a supplier using an address that they have tagged as problematic, you might have trouble.

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