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    Woah! What a stir up! I think I should step in here I've been around for quite some time now and I don't consider myself a huge supplier by any means. I would never intentionally post false information. I've been around since the days of Leford and have never released false information intentionally.

    I learned this information when I jumped on board the Janty wagon and whole heartedly believe (and honestly still do) that this is fact. I spoke with a rep from China who stated although electronic cigarettes are illegal it's still easy to produce.

    I was informed for example that Boge Tech is made up of sub factories. This is to help them avoid being shutdown at once. This apparently is the reason for the inconstancy in Liquid. Have you ever ordered the same flavor for months only to notice the color or taste to change? (Chinese E Liquid) This (I'm told) is because when you place your order to China via your favorite contact they send it out to one of the sub factories. You can't just pick which one it comes from. Suppliers know when you order from China especially liquid sometimes it's a crap shoot they don't always mix the flavors the same way. Looking at Leafords recent video you see him inside of a Boge factory which isn't very large. This I'm told his only one of the locations. It makes sense to be honest I doubt that small little factory could create E Liquid for most of the suppliers around the world.

    We did have a shipment seized in Hong Kong (which does happen quite often) and had to re pay shipping costs. Like most suppliers I probably could have pushed China to waive the shipping fee's but it wasn't a huge deal. Back in (January I think?) Quite a few suppliers had their shipments held but ultimately had them released. Recently the Chinese Expo has put a damper on at least my shipments but this is no reason to start buying hundreds of bottles of E Liquid. (Which really wasn't my intention)

    Now on the US side I still hold ground that large shipments can be hard to bring in. My point was that some consumers just don't realize how serious this is. The point was more for noobies to realize the issues at hand. Meaning that sitting around waiting for someone to "fix this issue" isn't going to help anything.

    I'm honored to be part of so much discussion but please I didn't intend for this to become such a large issue.

    If I am indeed incorrect about this I'll gladly bow down in embarrassment in front of the ecig community. After all I'm just human. It would be an insult to the ecig community to think releasing false information for the good of larger sales would even hold any ground. After all most of you have become every day watch dogs and kings of research. It wouldn't be worth risking my credibility over one post.

    Just remember even IF the FDA really pushes the ban so long as suppliers are still sending money to China the factories will remain open. If the factories remain open smaller shipments will always have no problem piggy backing into the country. The concern will only be once suppliers can no longer purchase product. If this happens on a large enough scale the factories I would assume would shut down. (No factories no supplies)

    But thanks to suppliers that mix liquid here in the US and all of the dedicated modders there will ALWAYS be a way to keep on vaping.

    Again sorry for the big stir up, no large conspiracy here. But if you still feel it was a big old lie feel free to drill me here in the open. We've all gotta go through it at least once.

    Thanks everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris From Cali View Post
    I learned this information when I jumped on board the Janty wagon and whole heartedly believe (and honestly still do) that this is fact. I spoke with a rep from China who stated although electronic cigarettes are illegal it's still easy to produce.
    Why? "a rep from China"? I am aware that things do not work the same there as they do here, but I would expect there is some way for common folk to find out what is illegal in China at the national level?

    I was informed for example that Boge Tech is made up of sub factories. This is to help them avoid being shutdown at once.
    Because the product they are making is illegal? or is it for some completely different reason? It's not like it's a secret that they are making e-cigs and juice. You can go directly to their website to order. Just seems odd to me that a company that large is openly producing something illegal on a national level. Are there any other examples of this with other large companies openly producing product in China that has been declared illegal by the Chinese government?

    We did have a shipment seized in Hong Kong (which does happen quite often) and had to re pay shipping costs. Like most suppliers I probably could have pushed China to waive the shipping fee's but it wasn't a huge deal. Back in (January I think?) Quite a few suppliers had their shipments held but ultimately had them released. Recently the Chinese Expo has put a damper on at least my shipments but this is no reason to start buying hundreds of bottles of E Liquid. (Which really wasn't my intention)
    ummm, what does this have to do with the claim that e-cigs are, or have just recently become, illegal in China? We all know that foreign email sucks and many foreign countries have widespread corruption in customs. Try sending money or valuables in or out of India.

    Now on the US side I still hold ground that large shipments can be hard to bring in. My point was that some consumers just don't realize how serious this is. The point was more for noobies to realize the issues at hand. Meaning that sitting around waiting for someone to "fix this issue" isn't going to help anything.
    Now? With the court ordered stay on the FDA? Please provide some details on what you mean by "hard to bring in". Current situation please. ...and this is why you made the unqualified claim that e-cigs are illegal in China?

    If I am indeed incorrect about this I'll gladly bow down in embarrassment in front of the ecig community.
    You could probably help in verifying your claims. That would be appreciated.

    Just remember even IF the FDA really pushes the ban so long as suppliers are still sending money to China the factories will remain open.
    ummm, what?!? I thought you started out with "e-cigs are illegal in China" and that was the problem.

    If the factories remain open smaller shipments will always have no problem piggy backing into the country.
    Piggy backing on what? Museum shipments?

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    Chris was just passing along info from people in the know. The factories are allowed to continue manufacturing due to paying off the gov't officials every year.


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    The court ordered stay against the FDA has been lifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
    Chris was just passing along info from people in the know. The factories are allowed to continue manufacturing due to paying off the gov't officials every year.
    might have been better if he had said "This is what I heard..."


    ps.....
    The court ordered stay against the FDA has been lifted.
    This is could be very bad...

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    Chris From Cali, I apologise if I was out of order with some of my comments. The main thing that made me question this issue was the statement about e-cigs being illegal in China. No matter what research I do via the internet, I can't find anything to back up the OP.

    It would be interesting to hear from our Chinese friends & contacts about this issue. For instance, David Yang of Eastmall, Amy from Health Cabin & Leaford from Vapor4Life.

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    I have been told that they are completely legal. I have been told that they are completely illegal. I have been told they are legal to manufacture for export, but not legal to sell within China. And I have been told they are legal to sell anywhere in China but Shanghai. You hear a lot of things. The more people you ask, the more different stories you hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaford View Post
    I have been told that they are completely legal. I have been told that they are completely illegal. I have been told they are legal to manufacture for export, but not legal to sell within China. And I have been told they are legal to sell anywhere in China but Shanghai. You hear a lot of things. The more people you ask, the more different stories you hear.
    Lol, well that clears the matter up - not

    Out of interest, for how long have you been told these conflicting stories?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaford View Post
    I have been told that they are completely legal. I have been told that they are completely illegal. I have been told they are legal to manufacture for export, but not legal to sell within China. And I have been told they are legal to sell anywhere in China but Shanghai. You hear a lot of things. The more people you ask, the more different stories you hear.
    Is it not possible for companies over there to ask the government what's legal? Or are these government officials that are telling you this?

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    I really need to start hording attys and unflavored nic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick1 View Post
    Maybe because it's simply not true? What has "been happening for so long"?

    That your suppliers have been telling you about all their problems?
    "it has been illegal in China for a long time"?
    "they have to keep moving *factories* [because it's illegal]"?
    It's illegal in Hong Kong so you said "China"? but they don't have factories in Hong Kong do they?

    Why did you add on that last qualifier to your retraction? "...but since it has been happening for so long I do not think anyone should worry as it is not effecting us any as of now.."? ...as it is not effecting any of us as of now... What exactly is it that is not effecting any of us as of now? [but could be at any moment?]
    Basically yes the suppliers I have dealt with have told me those things... Also to let you know I am not trying to drum up sales just telling you what they told me thats all.... As far as your other question what I meant is they have been having troubles in China for sometime now that it is not something we notice on our side accept when they have trouble shipping the item on time, I lived in Asia for several years , 7 to be exact and basically the Tobacco Monopoly has been having the Police cracking down over there because they are loosing a lot of money..... I did not mean for my post to cause an uproar I was just relaying what I have been being told from the suppliers I talk with on the phone and Skype...

    I know when I ordered Nicotine from Shenzhen they had to take it to Shanghai to be able to ship it to me because the post offices in Shenzhen was not allowing them to ship Nic..

    From my own experience with the post over there is that they want to see what is in the International package to see if it matches the customs declarations... If not they refuse to send it unless you cough up a little money, then they close the box tape it for you and ship it... I had a business that we shipped international and they did that every time, good thing we gained a friend over time that helped us at the post.

    Anyways to clear this all up I am not trying to make anyone nervous or buy happy I am just relaying things i have heard and do not want to be quoted as I really am not 100% sure about anything that is said by the Chinese, they tend to say things that they don't follow through with..AKA Breaking there words and lying to the customer to get you to send more cash for shipping or lying about the electricity, storms whatever they can to keep you content while they take there time shipping your goods...

    Have a good one and DO take this as a grain of salt not trying to change anyone or start any beef as I have no problems with anyone in this community

    And as Christopher said,, why do I have to lie? I have no reason to lie about making such claims as written in stone as I heard this from suppliers over there. I do not believe everything that I hear I was just telling you what it was that I heard sorry if this causes any problems.

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