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    About 5.4 million deaths a year are caused by tobacco smoke. Estimates predict that it will kill 6.5 million people in 2015 and 8.3 million in 2030, with biggest rise in low and middle – income countries. According to the World Health Organization (WHO) a current or former smoker dies every 6.5 seconds. An estimated 1.3 billion people are smokers worldwide. Over 443,000 Americans (over 18 percent of deaths) die because of smoking each year. 50,000 of them are secondhand smokers. Between 33 and 50 percent of all smokers will die an average of 15 years sooner than nonsmokers.

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    Number of deaths from using E-cigarettes: Zero
    For the benefit of the hard of hearing: ZERO !!!

    The opposition is 100% aware of these statistics,
    yet cautions smokers from trying E-cigarettes because
    they are not convinced E-cigarettes are 100% safe.
    If smokers stop smoking and now use the E-cigarette...
    they remain 2nd class citizens.

    The FDA is 100% aware of the statistics and all the tests
    and studies proving the safety of E-cigarettes. However,
    remains anal about banning E-cigarettes.

    Naturally, there is no major movement to ban tobacco

    I know it's all about money...
    and nothing to do with Truth, Health, or Common Sense

    I found E-cigarettes after smoking 2-3 packs-a-day for 40 years...
    Just to discover…Truth about E-cigarettes is Politically Incorrect
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    Unfortunately, the zealots no longer care about "saving smokers." They only care about "saving the children" from the "evils of addiction." It doesn't even matter if the addiction is smokeless and has no worse health risks than the caffeinate soda to which they are already addicted.

    For everyone else opposing e-cigarettes, it's all about the money.
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    just to play devil's advocate, vaping has only been around for a handful of years.

    Cigarette's weren't known to be harmful immediately, it took years to make the connection between tobacco smoke and cancer.

    We're all test subjects here, even though the ingredients are generally safe, there is always the risk that we are exposing ourselves to some unknown toxin that could have health effects down the road. Nobody knows the long term effects of vaping, we are all just making assumptions based on what data we currently have.

    But yes, kristin, it's all about the money, and the children.

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    The thing that really gets me is this "save the kids" responce that seems to get everyone on their side, in my opinion the number one cause for teenage smoking is having parents that smoke, so commen sence dictates the more adults you get off of analogs the fewer kids who will start smoking. where is the study on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristin View Post
    Unfortunately, the zealots no longer care about "saving smokers." They only care about "saving the children" from the "evils of addiction." It doesn't even matter if the addiction is smokeless and has no worse health risks than the caffeinate soda to which they are already addicted.
    Reminds me of what George Carlin once said...
    "Politicians hide behind the flag, God and children"

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    Smart man, George Carlin.


    The car goes where your eyes go.

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    "Between 33 and 50 percent of all smokers will die an average of 15 years sooner than nonsmokers."

    Just think between 59 and 67% of smokers won't die an average of 15 years sooner than nonsmokers but will continue to fund the economy with excess tax payments. $3 a pack taxes for a pack a day smoker brings in over a thousand a year to government, far outdistancing any additional medical expenses they may incur. In addition, those that die an average of 15 years sooner have saved the government an average of at least $10k a year in SS payments and 15 years of medical costs as well as the costs of caring for the aged. Looks like a win for society to continually demonize smokers and tobacco/nicotine users while keeping smoking legal.

    No, it's not about the money.
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    I wonder how much money this country(City, County, State, and Federal) would stand to lose by banning cigarettes. It won't happen but it is a good talking point about the lengths that some will go to protect that revenue stream and show their motivation.

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    I'm getting confused again

    The zealots want to ban E-cigarettes to save the children from the evils of tobacco
    but they are not interested in uniting to campaign to ban tobacco.

    Who's going to save the world from the zealots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by o4_srt View Post
    just to play devil's advocate, vaping has only been around for a handful of years.

    Cigarette's weren't known to be harmful immediately, it took years to make the connection between tobacco smoke and cancer.

    We're all test subjects here, even though the ingredients are generally safe, there is always the risk that we are exposing ourselves to some unknown toxin that could have health effects down the road. Nobody knows the long term effects of vaping, we are all just making assumptions based on what data we currently have.
    I've heard that one before. But I'm not sure that those who make the accusation have considered all the data:
    • Smokers who switch to low-nitrosamine snus live as long as those who quit all tobacco
    • The only thing e-cigarettes deliver that snus does not is larger amounts of PG or VG
    • PG and VG are not particularly harmful
    • >90% of e-cigarette users report their health has improved since switching


    My choices never included giving up all nicotine, because that makes me sick. So my choices were to continue smoking or switch to a product that supplies adequate amounts of nicotine. For years I denied that smoking was causing any harm to my health. But the handwriting was on the wall that I was on my way to developing COPD. So I switched to e-cigs and the wheezing stopped and the "productive cough" went away. I consider my health improved.

    So if 20 or 30 years from now I drop dead of some unknown mysterious e-cigarette toxin, at least I will have lived to see some of my grandchildren grow up, granduate, get married, and have some babies of their own.


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