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    I think the key to your dilemma may be in analyzing your training books in fire safety and researching the ship rules. What ever is NOT in your training/manuals or ship policy can be disputed via resources on the government site or via a maritime representative.

    The general idea that no electronic devices can be used in certain areas is way too broad. Example: Are you allowed to use an MP3 player in the same area? Good luck!

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    Hi Mustang,
    The situation was this I was approximity 8.5 feet awat from this small locker that the ship's bosun uses as a paint locker. He approuched me I was never near his pait locker as he alleges. To date I have have under gone a certified Polygraph exam. He asked me what I had in my hand I wasn't regularly smoking since I was engaged in loading my food stores and having longshore personell put them away.I explained what it was and he asked how it worked. I took one drag that was that. My unit is a smoking Everywhere. The temperature of the atomizer maxs out at 90 degrees. That is also what smoking Everywhere claims. A friend of mine that works at boeing tested his and a friends exact smae model and came in at 91 degrees. Further more I have taken off the fillter and stuck my tounge in it and sucked very hard and feel hardly nothing but vapor still comes out when I exhale. Smoking Everywhere claims it is a Non Flammable electric device CE certified. As for my own investigation I feel that there clain holds up. The other night I got call in response from some guy at CE in europe he said u can didp it in lighter fluid and it wont ignite. I am waiting for his email with the technical data on theier certification process and what exactly was that. I am certainly trying to get the facts rather than speculate. I was well away from this jerks paint locker and this is merely a vicious unseemly stab in the back. I have sailed the world for 35 years and it amazes me the new breed of american sailor where-as in the old days a Rat,a snitch anyone who did harm to a fellow mariner would be taking the long swim. thank you for your advice and I do agree with you I would go directly into an enclosed space filled with paint vapors. The Polygraph test was positive 100%

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    It seems that a paint locker should be secured in such a way that no explosive vapor from it could accumulate elsewhere in the ship. What are the rules about ignition sources in the passageway adjoining it? If you can start a fire just by walking by with a lit cigarette or an e-cig, cell phone, static discharge, etc. then the real hazard is the paint locker not being sealed or ventilated. otherwise it's just a matter of time. I'm sure the Coast Guard has rules about what must be properly ventilated or sealed such as bilges, paint lockers, empty tanks, etc.

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    Sounds like your Bosses son asked you to demonstrate what you had and you followed orders to me especially being the bosses son????

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    This unseemly person that made a big to do always carries a Motorola Commercial radio over his shoulder. The battery and power surge is Numerous times more powerful that the e cig. The paint locker is not my work area. To elaborate I also think it is dumb idea to vap while pumping gas. ut most for the reason that the E cig looks just like the real thing and why create a Panic situation. Also as a Chef I never would Vap around the Kitchen where I work. Often people are looking to create conflict and my feeling are why create unecessary speculation.

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    Yeah sort of like that---one single puff--There is rule about smoking on public spaces on ships just like anyplace else. Even though we can mostly agree that there is big difference between smoking and vaping. Again I see no reason to create conflict and mere speculation. Trying to create anything one puff because I thought the jerk was curious. Across the passage way plus their are fans and over ventilation in his space taking the fumes up and out.

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    Sorry for the raw deal, but my thoughts Scottbee has nailed it. Not to mention the battery, the risk of a quick discharge explosion, and added static electricity that the device can cause. In a hazardous area one may think twice about vaping. Around hazardous materials all kinds of weird stuff can happen. I'm sure with your training you know this. Everyone has to remember these are untested devices and treat them accordingly. I wish you luck and support, hope you keep us informed on what happens.

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    May I share my Polygraph results with You:

    where u smoking a lit cigarette in this Paint Locker as GW implies NO
    you where standing across the Paint locker in your work area YES
    He asked you what it was Yes
    He asked you how it worked Yes
    You took One Puff Yes
    Could you smell any paint fumes where you were standing across the passage No
    Did he warn you about any Dangerous Paint fumes NO
    Did he Tell the ships Captain that you where directly inside the Paint Locker Smoking a real Lit Cigarette Yes
    Where You smoking inside his Paint Locker A real Cigaretee NO
    Does this Person Like You NO
    So you took a puff off this Ecigarette Yes
    That is All Yes
    So during this whole time did GW express any concern about the E -Cigarette NO
    So you feel this person doesn't Like You because you filed Charges with Your Union about his abusive behavior with other union Members YES
    As the Senior Union Representive does this GW represent the Needs of the membership involved No
    You as Chief Steward are the other Senior Union Rep onboard YES
    Do you follow your Union Contract and enforce all work rules Yes
    Do you represent your union fairly without playing games Yes
    Does the Captain respect your Union NO
    Is the Captain and this GW friends YES
    Is that type of conduct a good thing NO
    You said that you always respect the Position of the Captain regardless of your personal Feeling Yes
    Do you respect this Captain NO
    Do you follow all lawful orders of this Captain Yes
    Does this Captain ever engage with GW in making what you feel is Unlawful Orders and Policy YES
    Do you feel that this Captain dislikes you because you have brought such Unlawful orders to your Union Yes
    You say the Union often informs the Company when Unlawful orders and requests are made YES
    Does the Company Correct the situation YES
    You feel this Ecigarette is Safe Yes
    Do u often smoke it in Public areas of the Ship NO
    You say a month previous that the Captain and others asked you to demonstrate this E-cigarette Yes
    At that time was it in Public Space on ship Yes
    So the Caprtain knew you had it and used it Did the Captain ever express any concerns about it NO
    you explained that there is No open Flame Yes
    Normally you smoke or Vap in your private Cabin Yes
    would you have smoked or Vaped this E-cigarette if this GW hadn't asked you NO
    In hindsight to you feel he was setting you up YES

    I passed with flying colors

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    Sorry to hear about your situation. It is a tough case. As Sun stated you need a qualified Maritime Lawyer who can gather all the facts as well as the policies etc. Best of luck to you!

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    Thank You all again for Your Inpute and opinions I sincerely appreciate it. You have to all understand I was not in this Paint Locker as this GW claims. Also this Paint Locker is well ventilated. Also I think that if GW was so concerned of some danger why would he ask me to demonstrate it. To be honest Most ships Bosuns I have sailed with always wash their brushes with paint thinner outside the paint locker on deck where there is better ventilation anyway. Can anyone tell me why the company hasn't taken issue with him for possibly creating a hazardess situation with out warning anyone. Even though it is not my department I have witness most Bosuns and sailors mix their paints outs side as well. The paint locker I would think is mainly to store sealed container since it is actually located in the ships house where people live and breath. Thank U lhadexx for your commen sense observation as I said now that you make the point I see clearly. I didn't even know this guy was mixing paint in there. Yet he asked me to demonstrate the E-Cig

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