Let us know the outcome, should be interesting on what they say.
From my experience, once an employee complains about another, there's little chance for flexibility, regardless of the circumstances. Most often, management likes to put their foot down and exercise their authority.
Good luck, I hope I'm wrong and they let you continue vaping inside.
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Your problem will be that you are still using an electrical device with the "potential" of ignition. Look around the plant for other electrical devices like flashlights, hand held radios, emergency lighting, lighted exit signs, even hearing aids. Also, are all 110 volt connections, lighting, etc. explosion proof? This should be your base for usage.
Should they decide to vote against its use just pick up some snus for while your working and go for bathroom breaks and vape till your hearts content in a stall.
Providing information of the device when questioned is great, but in the end its "their" place of buisiness, and as your already aware...... its a tough job market out there to risk taking a hard stance on the matter IMHO.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
You can ask, and talk to them about their policy without having to fight it to the death. Present your case with knowledge, confidence, and above all maturity.
Think of it from their view point for a sec, Let's say they hear you out and say "yes" and decide to allow you to use your pv in the shop, and then one day you click on your 510 button and something happens, for some unknown unforeseen reason, the pv did infact make spark enough to ignite the fine particles of brake dust, and *boom*.
. If there were any damage to the shop, it's contents, or heaven forbid anyone got injured, (and more than likely, YOU'd take the brunt of it being the one who was the closest), guess who they'd hold responsible? I'm sure the company has full Insurance, but considering the actual cause was a pv, the Insurance co. would not cover it, Especially knowing it was actually something that not only "could have been" avoided, but "should have" been avoided to begin with. It would all fall onto your boss's shoulders. Your employer would have to pay for the damages, and if you have already been warned not to vape in shop, and he could actually fire you and sue you for the damages as well.
Do you have medical Insurance? Do you know for certain, if it would cover you in a case like this? or someone else for that matter??
I'm not saying it could or couldn't ignite, I'm just saying these are the things your employer has to consider. I'ts the "unknown" your boss would have to consider whether or not, he's willing to risk his business, or someone getting hurt, etc.. It's not just about tobacco laws or no smoking, or even company rules. It's an unknown risk you would be asking your boss to take, based on your word and your own personal know-how of e-cigs. .I mean, are you seriously willing to stake your job, your reputation and well-being of yourself and others who work closely around you on it? How certain are you that nothing could ever possibly happen?.
If it were me, I would feel absolutely terrible, if something did happen on account of something "I" did.
Even worse, is if you were 'stealth vaping' after being told no, and you decide you're not breaking any rules, .and then something actually "did" happen, imagine how you'd feel? Would it really be worth it?
IMHO, if being able to use your pv at work means that much to you, enough to fight the people you work for, who write your checks, and along with those you work with, then you may be better off, finding yourself a different profession that does allow you to vape and work. .I mean, I don't know your income situation, and I'm not sure how much you need your check, or how easy it would be for you to go out & get another job right now, but if you value your paycheck, you're better off leaving it alone..
Maybe just go into restroom to vape if your jonesing for nic, If it's a real problem, you could try chewing gum til break time.. And who knows, you might just convert other smokers there and turn them onto vaping too. .There's strength in numbers,, and who knows maybe if there are more vapors that work there, they might just consider a room you guys could use, you never know..
Just don't go after smoker's hoping to unite, Vaping is a life-saver to many,.
I wish you the best in which ever way you decide to go on this, just hate to see you get yourself in an even bigger situation than not being able to vape at work
The switches in our PVs will generate a spark. Doesn't matter if they are manual or automatic, there is a spark. I don't want to get into a technical discussion here but these things pull an amp of power and this is enough for a spark. This spark would most likely only ignite a gas like gasoline vapor or other like that. I doubt it would ignite dust since it is fairly closed in most PVs but flamable vapors could easily get into it.
So in all reality, they are probably going to say no because in that situation, I most likely would say no also - they have insurance companies they have to answer to. If an insurnace company did an inspection and came walking through while you were vaping, even if they did know all about PVs, they would also know about the possibility of a spark and they would drop your company or raise their rates.
This in turn means less money for you and your buddies at raise time.
Is there another place inside where you can vape? apart from shop floor, smoker lounge there must be another room? what about canteen, coffee machine corner etc. Where do the non smokers go on break?
While I can't offer any new advice on dealing with your employer, I'd strongly suggest snus or Stonewall dissolvable tablets to get your nic fix while you're on the floor. Hands-free and far safer than dip (in terms of carcinogens and mouth damage). Look at the Smokeless Tobacco subforum for reviews and places to buy, etc.
I'll toss in my 2 cents.
First. As far as the PV's concerned. There's a heating element. It can get red hot, and it can get white hot (usually around that point it would pop). It isn't worth any risk.
Secondly. (And firstly) I'm not bashing anyone here, but lets take a look at this from the outside in.
Smoking is generally restricted to breaks (especially now that there is a full blown indoor ban) and it's done outside. Or in some cases a designated safe/smoking area.
What gives us the right to use a device that is, in similiar intention, like a cigarette, to avoid taking normal breaks like any smoker? First of all, Anti-Smokers and non-smokers, educated or not aren't going to be happy with what they see. The non/anti-smokers for obvious reasons. The smokers because it can ignite a potential issue jealousy issue, and raise another issue that could cause potential hate for "skirting the edge" of the law.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the sole intention of the E-Cigarette/PV to simply smoke inside at anywhere we choose? It seems to me that more PV'ers are getting mad and creating fights where they don't need to be, BAD VIBES type stuff. This kind of friction is going to negatively impact us from the smokers front AND the non-smokers front. Education doesn't mean smokers are going to switch. Some don't want to, which would lead to jealousy, anger, and even hate.
I got my PV for a few reasons.
1) To vape inside my own house because I can't stand the smell of a stale smokers house.
2) To vape in my car (same reason as above)
3) To GET HEATHLIER, and still enjoy vaping as a form of replacement smoking.
4) To maybe cut to 0mg Nic and just enjoy vaping as more of a recreational hobby of sorts.
I see lots of people ,IMHO, pushing to vape too hard. Break time is there for a reason, with a designated place. If they sole purpose is to "just vape wherever I want" Then I think we *ALL* missed the real point.
Last edited by Drummel; 02-23-2010 at 11:47 PM.