U.S. News Article

[Seewhy1]

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/risky-bu...rette-ban.html
Please forgive me if this doesn't work, it's my first time starting a thread and posting a link.

[Seewhy1]

And check this out
Kansas City - Fat City - When do anti-smokers go too far?

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

The harm-reduction theory simplified is that anti-smoking advocates should push people towards e-cigarettes and other smokeless products instead of complete withdrawal to limit the threat of diseases to smokers and get rid of second-hand smoke. This has angered made many anti-smoking advocates, who say it's their job to eliminate smoking, not rationalize it.

There - that's it in a nutshell - Nicotine Prohibition.... That's the goal of the Anti-Smoking advocates.

[TropicalBob]

Vicks, I like your comments under these news articles (assume that's you).

Actually, it is not nicotine prohibition that is the end goal of everyone. Nicotine is going to gradually become a drug available only from Big Pharma or from heavily taxed and restricted tobacco products. You can read various papers on the Web that outline how this will become reality over the next decade. Law by law, users will be driven from tobacco addiction to Big Pharma products that will sustain nicotine addiction.

It is a huge market, with upwards of $15-billion a year in projected U.S. sales alone. Everything happening now, with the FDA and in Congress, is prelude to a world of tightly controlled, highly profitable nicotine addiction products. It's our future.

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Vicks, I like your comments under these news articles (assume that's you).

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Yup, that's me - guilty as charged...
I couldn't let either article go without some sort of comment - not full of piss and vinegar - just calm rational statements. More flies with honey, etc...

[westcoast2]

TropicalBob Noted

Everything happening now, with the FDA and in Congress, is prelude to a world of tightly controlled, highly profitable nicotine addiction products. It's our future.

This maybe the plan and would probably have succeded if nicotine 'addiction' was the same as other addictions. It does seem there are a number of differences otherwise NRT would be more effective.

Just reading here it is becomes obvious that people's interaction with nicotine differs. Some instantly transfer to e-cigs, others continue with tobacco, yet others are able to go to zero nic cartridges while some go the other way. PVs cause such consternation because people do not need to vape nicotine at all.

This diversity is somewhat perplexing. One scenario, as you suggest is highly profitable nicotine products, perhaps a transfer from BigT to BigP or BigP nic and heavily taxed BigT products. This isn't going to be easy. The black market is growing (Ireland recently backed off a tax rise because of this) and NRT products, dispite heavy promotion, are still not always a free choice people make. Strange really if Nicotine is so addictive.

The other strange phenomenon is increasing smoking rates, after a short dip when bans come in. This has been seen in Ireland and the UK.

The future is uncertain and people will make their own chocies. A reading of history suggests that a period of aquiesence will be followed by a change. PVs may be part of that change or maybe not. Whatever happens the continued coercive tactics do not seem to be working as well as they apparently should, if nicotine were like any other addictive drug.

[TheKingOfKool]

Vicks, I like your comments under these news articles (assume that's you).

Actually, it is not nicotine prohibition that is the end goal of everyone. Nicotine is going to gradually become a drug available only from Big Pharma or from heavily taxed and restricted tobacco products. You can read various papers on the Web that outline how this will become reality over the next decade. Law by law, users will be driven from tobacco addiction to Big Pharma products that will sustain nicotine addiction.

It is a huge market, with upwards of $15-billion a year in projected U.S. sales alone. Everything happening now, with the FDA and in Congress, is prelude to a world of tightly controlled, highly profitable nicotine addiction products. It's our future.

I'm surprised Big Pharma isn't in on the e-cigarette sales. seeing how there's a huge amount of money they could make off of it, you'd think they would start selling them themselves.

[Caesarea]

I'm surprised Big Pharma isn't in on the e-cigarette sales. seeing how there's a huge amount of money they could make off of it, you'd think they would start selling them themselves.

The next big thing? Perhaps

Next sold their nic delivery enterprise in February, but don't know to whom. They have done the research. They are ready.

[TropicalBob]

They might be. No one really knows what is going inside the corporate boardrooms of the Big Pharma companies. Surely they can see that inhaling nicotine is the optimal solution for smokers wishing to quit cigarettes. But Big Pharma faces the same hurdles our present devices do: FDA approval of the liquid and drug delivery device. That takes time. Perhaps they are deep into research we know nothing of.

We do know Philip Morris (Altria) has developed a nicotine inhaler called the Aria. It doesn't look like a cigarette, and thus has a better chance of FDA approval. PM could initiate medical device approval at any time.

E-smoking is really still a subcult of nicotine addicts, but clearly the potential is here for it to explode in popularity.

It shouldn't surprise anyone if Big Pharma and Big Tobacco are viewing this future market with interest. There is no reason to jump aboard now. Let the FDA ban these Chinese devices. Then .. move into the void of wailing e-addicts denied their devices.

[Klimpt]

FDA quoted in the first article:

"We're concerned about the potential for addiction to and abuse of these products," says FDA spokeswoman Rita Chappelle. "Some people may mistakenly perceive these products to be safer alternatives to conventional tobacco use."

If that isn't among the stupidest goddam things I've ever heard I'm a monkey's uncle, notwithstanding Bob's, erm, mini conspiracy theory, with which I somewhat agreeing.