E-Cigarettes Under Fire--WebMD Article

[nitewriter]

Ah, I see, thanks Strat and Nite.

It would be great if a medic would do some blood testing to see how much nicotine we really are absorbing. It's a bit of a controversial subject but nothing conclusive can be said because it's so subjective.

EDIT
Unfortunately that survey was sabotaged and the results are now unreliable Marc.

I'm still upset at esmoke-e for that too.

Actually this http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/kee...ttes-available is the one I'm talking about. There are almost 5000 sigs and testimonials now!

[marcb70]

Ah, I see, thanks Strat and Nite.
Unfortunately that survey was sabotaged and the results are now unreliable Marc.

that is lame :-(

what happened

[OutWest]

regarding nicotine levels - i think I tend get less nicotine when vaping. With cigarettes, I've OD'd on nicotine, smoking until I felt queasy. I've never experienced that when vaping.

[strayling]

regarding nicotine levels - i think I tend get less nicotine when vaping. With cigarettes, I've OD'd on nicotine, smoking until I felt queasy. I've never experienced that when vaping.

Same here. I do keep a dropper of high strength handy for the occasional strong hit, but my regular vape is getting lower and lower. Not out of any desire to quit (hey, I'm a bad person - sue me), simply because I've found I prefer it that way.

[Kate]

This is the problem, some people (myself included) get overdose symptoms when vaping over certain strengths. It's down to things like additives with tobacco, tolerance and strength of eliquid.

The maths says that we could easily be getting much higher doses of nicotine than with smoking. Some people say that's right - for them, and some say for them that's not how it is.

Until we get some scientific measurements of how much nicotine gets absorbed we're just going to go around in circles with this.

[K.P.]

Would he appreciate a link to the survey and petition? Probably. Academics are overworked, underpaid, underappreciated infovores. The links are not compelling evidence, but they are an interesting data-point.

If I were faced with the "what about the children" argument against e-cigs, I would probably point out

1) we've had sweet-flavoured pipe-tobacco for longer than I've been alive (and that's a mighty long time). Teenagers don't smoke pipes because they like the sweet taste. They smoke real cigarettes to look cool or fit in with their peers. They choose a brand of cigarettes to fit in, or to emulate their favourite rock star, or because it is what their parents smoked.

2) Teenagers take up smoking not for the buzz but just to look cool. A pack of cigarettes is a cheap way to look cool. A $100 e-cig is not a cheap way to look cool.

3) Rock stars smoke real cigarettes. E-cigs are used by middle-aged squares who babble on about how they finally kicked their addiction. Imagine a 40-something man on a skateboard. Seen through a teenager's eyes, we (and e-cigs) are not cool.

[Tom09]

Until we get some scientific measurements of how much nicotine gets absorbed we're just going to go around in circles with this.

Kate, such a study on nicotine blood levels is apparently in the making. The recent Washington Post article „A Smoking Experience That's Unmatched" thread ID 11758 featured Prof. Eisenberg from VCU Institute for Drug and Alcohol Studies, referring to a clinical study apparently untertaken at VCU.

Maybe some native English speaking forum member, highly interested and well informed in the health aspects of vaping, could search to get into contact with him.

[nitewriter]

The petition is here http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/kee...ttes-available

[strayling]

The petition is here http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/kee...ttes-available

29 signatures needed to reach the halfway mark as I post this.

[Kate]

Thanks very much for that information Tom. It's a bit late tonight for me to start reading about research but I'll try to get a chance to check it out tomorrow.

It would be really handy if we had some facts about nicotine and vaping rather than rely on opinion.