E-Cigarettes Under Fire--WebMD Article

[nitewriter]

With all due respect Hanger, IMO you sound like you should be an advocate for the anti-smokers, but then again you are entitled to your opinion as well---------Sun[/B]

...I was thinking the exact same thing!

[imadreamer2]

Why do they say it's any easy way to get the children? They are sold only to smoking age people. In fact the cartridges I purchased said not to be used if under 21. Teens will find a way to get them but no more so than cigarettes.

[Hangar]

TBob...I have to say that after my 3 weeks of reading and posting on this forum that you and I seem to be part of only a very small minority of posters here who have the ability to reason on both sides of the issue.

I've seen so many immature, irrational and angry posts on this ecig issue that im starting to think that:

Maybe im not as bad an addict as i thought, lol.

[Sun Vaporer]

TBob...I have to say that after my 3 weeks of reading and posting on this forum that you and I seem to be part of only a very minority of posters here who have the ability to reason on both sides of the issue.

Maybe im not as bad an addict as i thought, lol.

Hanger--We are all entitled to our opinion--But I have to admit you really sound like an FDA poster child. If in fact the e-cig is banned, it will be long winded debates like the one you proffered here that are prime examples of how we all go up in flames. So I can not concur with your "ability to reason on both sides of the issue" as IMO, there is no other side of the issue--unless your solution is to go back to smoking, or use an NRT---which many of us do not find to be alternatives---Sun

[yvilla]

As far as "harm reduction" is concerned...ehhh...to be honest even though i absolutely can see this product having that sort of potential, Im not so confident that the majority of users will have the ability to self discipline themselves in a regiment that will truly allow that...that being said there is surely a percentage of poeple that WILL...and I hope I can be among the latter group, heh.

I think to have these things scientifically accepted as actual harm reduction and especially as a cessation therapy one of thie first things that needs to be changed is that way its packaged. it needs to be packed with a certain amount of carts at so many MG's of nic for so many weeks and included with some sort of printed instructional plan that will slowly ween you off of cigarettes and then finally off of ecigs themselves. This, as a start would be a much more professional and responsible way of marketing it if the industry would ever have a chance at self regulation...which at this point is probably way too late...it should have been manufactured and marketed this way from the very start.

From this portion of your post Hangar, I believe you are misunderstanding the concept of harm reduction.

It is not a catchword for smoking cessation. It does not contemplate the use of self-control or other means to wean oneself off of nicotine.

On the contrary, it is a very pragmatic stance that recognizes that many either will not or cannot stop smoking due to their addiction to nicotine or their choice to continue to use nicotine, no matter what methods they may have tried and failed with, and that therefore it is better to use a product with less harmful or lethal consequences.

Take a look at Tobaccoharmreduction.org if you want to understand this position more fully. I've directed you to their home page, but they also relatively recently endorsed ecigs, and now have a page devoted to them specifically:

Electronic cigarettes. (tobaccoharmreduction.org)

[Hangar]

Look Sun..all i know from the posts ive seen and responses ive gotten lately on this forum is that there are alot of really misguided, misinformed, angry people out here who are willing to say anything, do anything and act in any unreasonable and even irresponsible fashion in fear of never gaining their right to vape an e-cig.

Sorry but its behavior like THAT which can be blamed for ruining our chances with ecigs, and THAT is nothing I will ever take part in because im not so stupid a person.

[Rookie]

I'm not a doctor but from my personal experience with e-cigs I think it is healthier(not healthly) than analogs. I started with the High Nic carts because I have been a heavy smoker for over 20 years. I had to cut back to the Lite and then the Ultra Lite because the nic was too strong. The first 2 weeks I was coughing a lot of junk up but then it stopped and my sense of taste and smell have returned. I don't get short of breath anymore when I climb stairs or walk. I sleep a lot better. Tried an analog but found the taste disgusting and it made me cough and choke just like when I first started smoking. I put it out after the second drag. I took about 8-9 vapes per hour at first but after 3 weeks am down to 3-4. I know all this is just antedotal but I feel a lot better. I can't see kids who start vaping switching over to analogs.

[Malicedoll]

I know I don't want to quit smoking.. i enjoy it and i am glad i have this alternative...

[Hangar]

From this portion of your post Hangar, I believe you are misunderstanding the concept of harm reduction.

It is not a catchword for smoking cessation. It does not contemplate the use of self-control or other means to wean oneself off of nicotine.

On the contrary, it is a very pragmatic stance that recognizes that many either will not or cannot stop smoking due to their addiciton to nicotine or there choice to continue to use nicotine, no matter what methods they may have tried and failed with, and that therefore it is better to use a product with less harmful or lethal consequences.

Take a look at Tobaccoharmreduction.org if you want to understand this position more fully. I've directed you to their home page, but they also relatively recently endorsed ecigs, and now have a page devoted to them specifically:

Electronic cigarettes. (tobaccoharmreduction.org)

uh...yea hehe...i may not have educated myself on the exact definition of harm reduction but i well understand what it eludes to.

What makes me laugh is that i never found a forum so full of respected scientists and medical doctors as this one seems to have under its membership who apparently can claim the green-go light on ecigs and their safety relative to cigarettes...its really quite impressive

Who's gonna cover yer butt though in 10 years if some of us should start contracting throat cancer?...now mind you..im not saying this will happen, but YOU certainly cannot tell me it WONT. So if this thing ends up causing some sort of cancer do you still want it classified as harm reduction?????...(if youre answer is yes please dont tell me the truth because ill absolutely be sick to my stomach)

Some of you really need to take a break and step back and readjust your attitudes to something ALOT more responsible...because the way many of you are acting is more likely to hurt our case instead of helping it.

...sorry <simon cowell voice - off>

[Malicedoll]

well.. look at it this way.. a lot of us will still be around in 10 years to bitch about it..