E-Cigarettes Under Fire--WebMD Article

[Sun Vaporer]

Quote: "Who's gonna cover yer butt though in 10 years if some of us should start contracting throat cancer?...now mind you..im not saying this will happen, but YOU certainly cannot tell me it WONT."--Hanger


Hanger--No you can not tell us that with Vaping, but you can tell us that with Cigarettes--that is the whole point. Although the evidence is scant as to total saftey---there is no evidence to date that vaping is harmful. We are not looking for "totally safe"---an alternative that is "safer" is where the merit is grounded------Sun

[Hangar]

Sun...I understnad what you're saying but for some reason youre not reading into what IM saying....and what im saying is this...in MY opinion if curtain number1 has a lifetime supply of lung cancer behind it, and curtain number2 has a lifetime supply of throat cancer behind it, then curtain number2 should NOT be classified as harm reduction...understand what im saying?...we cant classify it as true harm reduction unless its truly tested FIRST and found to be truly safer over extended usage...which to ME means NO MORE CANCER worries.

Im really sorry we arent seeing eye to eye on this one because I HAVE been seeing and reading some of your posts around town and usually enjoying them as good reads, seriously...but for some reason we're just tripping over each other here.

[melissa]

Hanger--from what I read on the posts--most are trying to cut down and then go to no-nicotine. So to the contrary, I do not see the e-cig "worsening" anybody's addiction.--Sorry, but I simply do not buy that.

Many people are taking the ill-fated postion that all aspects of the e-cig should be examined for "possibly negative effects" that are speculative, like children maybe getting hooked on them because they are "Cool" or the possible further addiction of "nicotine". WELL--how about looking at the e-cig with an eye to real harm reduction when they go under the microsope. Although there is no peer group studies as of yet, there are in fact some studies that suggest the e-cig is safer coupled with some common sense and the fact that there are no negitive studies. --------------Sun

You go! Sun! lol Power to the people!

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun...I understnad what you're saying but for some reason youre not reading into what IM saying....and what im saying is this...in MY opinion if curtain number1 has a lifetime supply of lung cancer behind it, and curtain number2 has a lifetime supply of throat cancer behind it, then curtain number2 should NOT be classified as harm reduction...understand what im saying?...we cant classify it as true harm reduction unless its truly tested FIRST and found to be truly safer over extended usage...which to ME means NO MORE CANCER worries.

Im really sorry we arent seeing eye to eye on this one because I HAVE been seeing and reading some of your posts around town and usually enjoying them as good reads, seriously...but for some reason we're just tripping over each other here.

Hangar--I will take you for being reasonable so here goes. I hear what you are saying about Door Number 1--cigarettes are death. But as for Door Number 2, it is an unknown to a certain extent. We know that nicotine inhaled this way is FDA approved with the Nicotine Inhaler. We also know that PG is alos appovoved by the FDA as that is the medium in the Nicotine Inhaler. So the only think in issue is the Flavorings. Yes, the peer review studies are lacking. But what I am trying to say for now at least is that if I have 2 options, and the first one is a known killer, and the second one, although not totally proven to be safer, but again has no evidence against it and most of its ingrediants are already in play in an FDA approved NRT (Nicotine Inhalor), then I am going to opt for Door number two. I have gone in the last 6 months to zero nicotine. I only vape no-nic. So in my mind, looking at what is in the nicotine inhalor that has been given the blessings of the FDA--the only thing that could be harming me is the flaovoring--and it might well be--but the key is might--if I smoke cigarettes I will be harmed --not might.

I do see your point, but I do not like the politics of the FDA and the good old boys with their fear of tobacco tax revenue. I also bear in mind big Pharma --so make no doubt about it. Even if these were 100 percent save--nobody is going to give them the stamp of approval because it does not fit into their agenda--an agenda that has nothing to do with health and everything to do with money---Thanks--Sun

[yvilla]

Has it been proven to you Hangar that you won't get throat cancer from drinking hot tea, coffee or chocolate? Then better stop drinking them.

Has it been proven to you that you won't get throat cancer from walking around your neigborhood and breathing in the air contaminated from vehicles? Then better never go outside.

Good grief, we know that smoking can cause lung, throat, bladder, kidney and many other cancers. And we know that the primary reason for that are the products of combustion.

You are simply speculating, based on no medical training or expertise, and apparently little research of your own, that vapor composed of PG, nicotine and flavors could cause throat cancer, when not even those talking of banning ecigs have been able to point to any specific risk whatsoever in that regard. When PG the main ingredient has been extensively studied already, and found not to be harmful when inhaled (studies posted by TBob, and many others due to its use in entertainment facilities, bars and clubs in fog machines). And when there are many doctors (I've certainly cited to articles and letters from several right here on the forum) telling us that ecigs are certainly much safer than smoking cigarettes, because there is no combustion.

I seriously suggest you read and educate yourself some more on these topics.

[Hangar]

You go! Sun! lol Power to the people!

yet another foolish response more interested in politics than science and safety.
(and if theres one more idiot who says "safer?, safer than what...cigarettes?" im going to puke)

...some of you just dont get it (and in more ways than one im guessing, lol)

[Hangar]

Even if these were 100 percent save--nobody is going to give them the stamp of approval because it does not fit into their agenda--an agenda that has nothing to do with health and everything to do with money---Thanks--Sun

of this i have no doubt, Sun...nor argument

[melissa]

yet another foolish response more interested in politics than science and safety.
(and if theres one more idiot who says "safer?, safer than what...cigarettes?" im going to puke)

...some of you just dont get it (and in more ways than one im guessing, lol)

Sorry hangar it was an inside joke with Sun....nothing against you I just like to listen to people voice their opinions and their passions which the Ecig to us a passion. It has gotten us to get off those disgusting analogs. Why may I ask did you start using Ecigs? Did you do it to look cool or did you do it to maybe rid your body of the 4000 other chemicals? That IMHO would make it safer than a cigarette. I myself am going to puke if i hear one more person who is in fact using this product and doesn't know why? Don't you believe in it? If you don't then again why are you using it? I believe that it is sort of hypicritical to use the ecig and then turn around and say it isn't good for you. I had some friends run the juice using GC/Ms and all that was found was nicotine ,pg and the flavoring. I have friends who are nurses and they have asked their docs if nicotine is bad for you and the doc said no worse than caffeine. So have a coke and a smile Please don't call me an idiot because I believe in something maybe you are one for not believing in it and doing it?

[Sun Vaporer]

All that Melissa is saying is that we all need to stand up for our rights and get some spne. I, for one , am whole hardely tired of seeing people just sit and take whatever is coming at them. Back in my day. we stood up for our rights. Now their is a rule for everything you do and everywhere we go. It is IMO, an outrage to watch our rights be violated at the whim of corupt business profits and politics--especially when it comes to issues that concern health. We got sold down the river with the false claims of light cigarettes and the marketing ploys of big business. Now, with the glimmer of hope that the e-cig brings --comes the very real possibility of a ban on them.

So what are we all going to do--just sit here and say "Yes sir"--I do not think so. Not this time and not without being heard. I do not have standing to participate in approval processes---I have explained that before--what I can do is have my voice heard in the right places and contribute captial to the cause.

So when Melissa says Power to the People, it is a refreshing thing to hear that, with this issue, we are not going to go away quietly. They are dealing with our health and they better have their oars in the water when it comes to this issue--that is my take on it-----Sun

[yvilla]

Hangar, have you seen this thread, where Redrose tells us that "Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York City is supporting [her] and e-cigarettes!"?

Great News from a "Powerhouse”, for e-cigs (and me too!)