FDA Sued Over Electronic Cigarette Embargo

[yvilla]

Right, and one last thing to consider is that, if the PV is classified as a 'tobacco products', then it falls under the same usage bans that cigarettes currently fall under.

No! I responded to that same argument earlier in this same thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...tml#post236782 (post 71)

Why do people keep saying this? It is wrong, and harmful to our cause. The bans are about smoke!

[Sun Vaporer]

Chuck--Again do as you like--I am not telling anyone to do anything--It is my opinion that a letter is a good idea for me---and remember:

Do not think for one minute there will not be a lot of letters from the Anti-smoking and Child Protection Advocates writing their letters as well. That you can count on. The FDA let the Customs do their "dirty work" here and kept themselves clean with the Embargo in the first place, so do not think that they will count on the Anti Groups to voice their opinion to the Court as well-----------Thanks--Sun

[Vegatron75]

Right, and one last thing to consider is that, if the PV is classified as a 'tobacco products', then it falls under the same usage bans that cigarettes currently fall under. So, the more I think about it, the more I agree that classification of the device as a 'tobacco product' does not serve our best interests.

However, now that I'm looking at some details, and not completely understanding legalese (the english language as translated by a lawyer), they could be arguing that they should be regulated 'like' tobacco products, but not 'as' tobacco products'.

I guess it depends on what your definition of 'is' is.

Ivisi

P.S. 10 brownie points to the first person who gets the reference in my last sentence.

Bj's in the oval orifice!!!

[jmoney]

Chuck--Again do as you like--I am not telling anyone to do anything--It is my opinion that a letter is a good idea for me---and remember:

Do not think for one minute there will not be a lot of letters from the Anti-smoking and Child Protection Advocates writing their letters as well. That you can count on. The FDA let the Customs do their "dirty work" here and kept themselves clean with the Embargo in the first place, so do not think that they will count on the Anti Groups to voice their opinion to the Court as well-----------Thanks--Sun

don't just count on it, I'm positive they will. This case is a lot bigger than I believe most people think it is, count on the lobbyist coming out in full force as well. Wish we had some DC people on here with some spare time. It may be time to fuel up the plane and call in a few favors to get a chat in with someone that can help.

[SiGCiG]

P.S. 10 brownie points to the first person who gets the reference in my last sentence.

"if you were to ask me if I had sexual relations with Monica Lewinski.... "

I like chocolate frosting on my brownies.

SiGCiG

[CJsKee]

In SE's Memorandum in Support of their Motion for injunctive relief, SE says:

"Electronic cigarettes are made from tobacco and are the functional equivalent of traditional cigarettes and should be regulated in the same manner as traditional cigarettes.”

[Charlie_Russo]

Greetings….

Writing to ask if anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area would be interested in being interviewed for a short news video I am putting together on the topic of e-cigarettes and the looming legal battles that are forming around them.

I will be conducting interviews over the next week and I am open to hearing any and all testimony from e-cigarette users. I've already gotten some very articulate perspectives from some worthwhile sources and I would like to add to that with more first hand accounts regarding use of the products. Although this is a freelance project, I am speaking with some editors now for this to run as a 3-5 minute video piece on a relevant news website.

My goal is to get this topic beyond the sort of E-Cig 101-style pieces that are currently surfacing in the media and getting into the more in-depth issues surrounding their use and legality.

Please get in touch if you have any interest. I'm happy to set up a time and location that works well for all involved.

Thanks,

Charles Russo
Charlierusso23 at gmail.com
www charlierusso com

[Vince1]

Hi Sun, I wonder if sending a copy of our petition with over 5,600 signatures on it would help at all? (to the judge)

This would have to be Smokey Joe's decision.

[Kate]

Is it possible that we could shoot ourselves in the foot by supporting Smoking Everywhere and their dodgy ethics?

Their health and cessation claims might make us look bad?

[esmok-e]

IMO

So there goes my Monika's Magic Menthol Mania Merengue flavor options?

Tobacco?

How much actual tobacco is in it?

Not enough to smoke; not enough to chew; not enough to measure without super-sensitive science!

Where did nicotine go in this picture?

It's a pleasure issue. It's a constitutional right issue. It's the pursuit of happiness without hurting yourself or society or civilization at large.

It's about WHO and FDA and BTP (big tobacco & pharma inc.) defining our rights.

WHO should have looked at PG before there even was a WHO. The health technology was out there. Screw the flu - 69 years too late.

FDA: Peanuts, Tomatoes, Lettuce, Vioxx (the name is scary).

BTP: Vioxx (Prozac, Theophylline, etc.); Newport, Marlboro, Parliament, Camel or how about a Life or True or Real or Vantage or Lucky Strike!? And the sick and dead win that lottery - in court. Now if a few hundred billion gets paid out to the "winners", how much did that really hurt BTP? Books please; emails please.....

NRT, Tobacco, PV, Electronic Cigarette.

Whatever you want to call it, it is exactly what it is: a safer and healthier option to a cultural behavior which has relatively recently been found to be dangerous in a large variety of ways (including but not limited to burning your house, town or favorite forest down).

The only thing it threatens is tyrannical power.

And they want to define "Life" and what's "Real" and "True" or a "Vantage" (your BTP vantage from the grave)? Protecting their little cemeteries is just a part of it. There are huge profits. They very efficiently manage an international money machine with huge control and power to ensure those huge profits. And everyone wins. Governments get taxes, health care makes money too. No bailout money here.

No bailouts for us either. But we lose.

There's a big picture here. The thumbnail is this fiasco about this simple little device and it's benefits being battered and hammered with preemptive tactics.
The fresco is a strategy to get this whole planet healthy way beyond tobacco and nicotine.

From my "vantage" point there are too many millions of dying babies without even water or electricity or sewers in this world. That is "True", that is "Real" - we need to respect "Life" and hope all this is more than just a "Lucky Strike".

So now I'll be labeled a radical vaporist. What's next? DHS (Homeland Security); FBI; CIA; any other three letter acronyms care to join in?

Call me an A**?