FDA Sued Over Electronic Cigarette Embargo

[AnimeFur]

If we get leeway using the tobacco regulation now,
can we point out there is no tobacco when they get
the other bill passed?

[westcoast2]

Previously posted: Details of company and shares Smokefree Innotec --> Stock Disclosure
Includes shares, marketing plan, history and competition.

Our competition ranges from small and large companies such as Nic Stic to Phillip Morris.

[Reverend Damien Caine]

Interestig, Smokefree Innotec is about 2 blocks from where I'm sitting at the moment. May have to go check them out later.

[LaceyUnderall]

PM has been on this since the 80's. They registered patents and actually had esmoke as a trademark! Not anymore.

They "have" a Chinese e-cig just like everyone else and his grandmother! Except they have the $$$ to go public. Watch this stock... SFIO $0.015 0.003 UP 25% 45,000 Shares Traded, no news, no filing, no nothing except 45,000 shares out there that "somebody" owns at a current value of $675,000.00

Shareholder's Filing: Interesting Gang, Changed Name and Locations How many times now?

NASDAQ Info Quotes - Stock Prices - Stock Research

"B. Business of the Issuer
We are in the business of designing, developing, manufacturing and marketing a hi-tech
smokeless nicotine delivery cigarette like electronic device which is completely smokefree
and tobacco-free. Products are designed to protect the non-smoker from second hand
smoke and all its effects while providing the smoker a way to enjoy smoking anywhere
including places that prohibit smoking. Further, it will allow the smoker to enjoy smoking
while not having to worry about the dangers and ill effects of regular cigarette smoking".

"With further test-marketing planned in Pensylvania, the Board of Smokeless believes that within the next 18 months its product will yield a multi-million dollar turnover from around the globe."







Have to go now, I have a multi-million dollar turnover from around the globe to handle!

So basically the time line is this:

May of 2009 Senate will vote on the Tobacco Bill, effectively making it impossible for all current ecigs to stay on the market. In late September of 2009, Smokeless Innotec will release their Rauchless cigarette, owned by Altria. Is this what you have found because this is what I have found...

Sherid where are you!?! Here is what we have been waiting for!

We wondered why PM would let their patent run out here in the US. Brilliant they are. They let all of the current suppliers get the market up, then they are going to "ban" them all out of the market and then release their own when everyone is good and desperate.

Tobacco Industry holds us hostage again. Shocker.

[skex]

There's some discussion here about the implications of vaping products being categorised as tobacco products - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...tml#post174309

I can't see an honest legal system supporting this myself, this is obviously not tobacco.

Well for good or ill we're not facing an "honest legal system" here.

I'll be frank from an American legal standpoint being classified as a tobacco product is the only hope these devices have now that they are on the radar.

They are going to be regulated that's a fact. The only question is how they will be regulated will they fall under the less stringent requirements placed on tobacco or will they end up under the far more draconian drug classification.

If they are classed as a tobacco product they're going to get grandfathered into Waxman's bill since these devices were marketed prior to February 2007. The worst case at that point is controls on the Nicotine content available. We'll probably also get some better quality controls on the actual content of the liquids some basic standards such as childproofing as well as requirements to take some measures to ensure these aren't sold to minors. (assuming Waxman's bill passes unammended)

If they are classed as a drug delivery device they will have to undergo the same testing as any other drug which means very expensive studies and it's questionable that such studies could even be done. I've read arguments by experts who basicallly say that even if the manufacturers wanted to go through such testing they'd never be able to find an organization that would be willing to do it and that such studies might fail to meet ethical standards regardless.


To quote our President "Do not let perfection become the enemy of the good"

Sure our ideal solution would be to have a completely new catagory carved out for the E-cigarette and have it regulated only to ensure that we are getting what we pay for.

But that simply is not going to happen. If they are classified as a drug rather than tobacco then the E-Cig is dead in the United States end of story end of debate, And if we kill it here you can be pretty sure that the UK and the rest of Europe will follow pretty rapidly, hell the two biggest other chunks of the former British Empire have already banned these devices.

The die as they say has already been cast. The battle joined and since no one else stepped up to the plate we're stuck with SE as the standard bearer.
If the smaller suppliers had pooled resources earlier and been willing to set aside petty bickering and their selfish individualist nonsense then perhaps they could have filed this action instead but that didn't happen.

But as I've always said about regrets and spilt milk. Could have, would have, should have, didn't.

At this point any other option is wishful thinking and that has never accomplished anything in this world.

[esmok-e]

So basically the time line is this:

May of 2009 Senate will vote on the Tobacco Bill, effectively making it impossible for all current ecigs to stay on the market. In late September of 2009, Smokeless Innotec will release their Rauchless cigarette, owned by Altria. Is this what you have found because this is what I have found...

Sherid where are you!?! Here is what we have been waiting for!

We wondered why PM would let their patent run out here in the US. Brilliant they are. They let all of the current suppliers get the market up, then they are going to "ban" them all out of the market and then release their own when everyone is good and desperate.

Tobacco Industry holds us hostage again. Shocker.

Touchdown! And now all the cats are out of the bag!!!!!!!
But there are other players with other plans.

Keep your eyes on the SE case because that could change PM's plans and the entire picture. Let's see how freedom in the USA really works!

[LaceyUnderall]

Touchdown! And now all the cats are out of the bag!!!!!!! But there are other players with other plans.

I swear to god the next step is to lodge a complaint with the FTC for unfair business practices of a monopoly.

[Kate]

If PM are going to legally sell PVs what are they going to be categorised as, how will they avoid the legislation everyone else will be tangled up in?

[LaceyUnderall]

If PM are going to legally sell PVs what are they going to be categorised as, how will they avoid the legislation everyone else will be tangled up in?

They are writing the legislation... that's the problem. They have a seat on the advisory board being created within the FDA over tobacco products. They will have a direct say in what the fees are and who will have to do what in order to get a product on the market. They can afford anything. The rest of us... not so much.

This is the real problem at hand here. A direct manipulation of the legislative process in order for one company to destroy the rest of the market. With 50% industry control, they would be the industry leader and therefor, get to dictate how even RJR's products are sold and marketed.

[Kate]

Right but what are the laws going to say that will allow them to sell PVs?