FDA Sued Over Electronic Cigarette Embargo

[Grandma Cas]

I think SE could be in bed with PM, their undercover MO with the FDA could be to ensure no other supplier gets to market their product.

[StratOvation]

I wonder what's in their "specially designed cigarettes"-- maybe some kind of vg or pg-based nic solution?

According to PM...a variety high end tobaccos. The heatbar is a redesign of the accord. It appears that PM has incorporated the charging system and self cleaning capabilities into a new single unit model... The Heatbar.

Image:Acco01.08.jpg - Tobacco Products shows the multilayered tobacco cigarette that is heated inside the device.

[StratOvation]

I think SE could be in bed with PM, their undercover MO with the FDA could be to ensure no other supplier gets to market their product.

Lost me here Grandma.... Care to explain further? Really not sure what if anything SE has done Undercover as you put it. Maybe just something lost in translation here , but IMO, SE has been Ultra Prominant in the media and one of the primary manufacturers to force an FDA investigation by refusing to halt their unsubstantiated health and safety claims.

Mike

[ljmk]

My husband has been a heavy smoker for 30 years. He has been smoking the e-cig for about 6 weeks. He has one analog every morning. From two packs a day to one cigarette a day. Amazing. I am the one who initiated researching and buying his penstyle. I do not smoke. In fact, cig smoke bothers me. When hubby is vaping away I smell and feel nothing. There is no frigging way this is not safer for all involved. Risk reduction is a good thing. I am sure some of the thou shalt nots think he shouldn't vape at all. Screw em. The cat is out of the bag. A bump in the road may be coming but I am confident it will not last.

People who don't smoke do not realize that when the gov't is done with the smokers they are coming for them.

[Skad]

"Reasoning" with the Federal government will get you nowhere these days. I just hope I can afford the Phillip Morris device when it becomes available 'cuz it'll be the only LEGAL way to continue vaping.

Why do you care about it being the "legal" way to continue vaping?

Would you really put down your PV of choice just because it's illegal?

Would you use some inferior product just because it's "government approved"?

[Vince1]

In regards to the Heatbar, This is a clever trick for the tobacco company. Even if you use this you still have to buy the cigarettes to put in it, they still get your money just as if you still smoke regulars and you still pay the high taxes. So they never lose a dime and will make even more money from Heatbar sales.
Big scam. IMO.
If they come out with an e-liquid vaporizer, I'll be interested.

If the ban happens I'll get an I-inhale and grow some tobacco myself.

I can't go back to burning tobacco like a caveman.

[TropicalBob]

There are threads on the Heatbar in the Alternatives section. It is not at all like our devices. It uses real tobacco, and heats it via a charcoal tip. Users say the taste is quite unpleasant, with a distinct barbecue charcoal taste.

PM has the Aria, a true nicotine inhaler, patented but has not yet marketed it. That, too, has been discussed and photos shown in other threads. Other Big Tobacco experiments have been the Premiere and Eclipse. Quest offers zero-nic tobacco cigarettes, as well.

E-cigs are a different animal.

[Wildsky]

People who don't smoke do not realize that when the gov't is done with the smokers they are coming for them.

Yep !!!

(Its nice to have a non-smoker/vaper on our team )

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

There are threads on the Heatbar in the Alternatives section. It is not at all like our devices. It uses real tobacco, and heats it via a charcoal tip. Users say the taste is quite unpleasant, with a distinct barbecue charcoal taste.

PM has the Aria, a true nicotine inhaler, patented but has not yet marketed it. That, too, has been discussed and photos shown in other threads. Other Big Tobacco experiments have been the Premiere and Eclipse. Quest offers zero-nic tobacco cigarettes, as well.

E-cigs are a different animal.

All these "alternatives" from PM sound so gastly, if the choice was either them or cigs, I think I'd just stick to cigs...

Much happier with my PV

[Kendra]

In regards to the Heatbar, This is a clever trick for the tobacco company. Even if you use this you still have to buy the cigarettes to put in it, they still get your money just as if you still smoke regulars and you still pay the high taxes. So they never lose a dime and will make even more money from Heatbar sales.

I completely agree. I think it's their way to "modernize" although it looks appalling. Total scam. If I ever started smoking analogs again (which I have no plans to do) I would NEVER buy from Philip Morris again. I just realized as I was typing, though, that they are a huge conglomerate and I must be supporting them anyways since I know they own other smaller companies, too. And, I don't know which ones, yet.

No wonder they are so against e-cigs. It makes their "innovative" product look middle ages. They have no interest in our health as has been proven time and again.