UPDATE: US Senate Panel Approves FDA Tobacco-Regulation Measure

[Surf Monkey]

Watch the vote tally and you will see which party actually uses common sense and gives a damn about the US citizens.

Someone has a political agenda, no?

It seems to me that it's better to evaluate each piece of legislation based on its relative merits rather than trying to play a party-based gotcha game.

[katink]

Is the nicotine in e-liquid derived from tobacco leafs, or is it from some other source?

From tobacco. See also the DeKang thread if you want to check up on that.

[Smokin'Sandy]

Is the nicotine in e-liquid derived from tobacco leafs, or is it from some other source?

I thought it was from tobacco, but I could be wrong. The lawsuit is trying to show it is a tobacco product.

Either way though, it will probably fall into the drug category and not be seen as a tobacco derivative due to the way the bill is written and references the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. We may not stand a chance at all if the bill passes. I was trying to find a way around the drug part even if the bill passes, but it's unlikely unless there is some ammendments made.

If this part right here:
‘(2) The term ‘tobacco product’ does not mean an article that is a drug under subsection (g)(1), a device under subsection (h), or a combination product described in section 503(g).

can't be ammended to exempt the e-cig or other less harmful products, it will be found to be a drug I'm pretty sure.

What bugs me the most is that the cigarette is a drug delivery device and it is exempt. The stupidity of this just burns me up.

‘(3) LIMITATION ON POWER GRANTED TO THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION- Because of the importance of a decision of the Secretary to issue a regulation--

‘(A) banning all cigarettes, all smokeless tobacco products, all little cigars, all cigars other than little cigars, all pipe tobacco, or all roll-your-own tobacco products; or
‘(B) requiring the reduction of nicotine yields of a tobacco product to zero,
the Secretary is prohibited from taking such actions under this Act.

[playerags]

Someone has a political agenda, no?

It seems to me that it's better to evaluate each piece of legislation based on its relative merits rather than trying to play a party-based gotcha game.

Surf, I am obviously a conservative and you are obviously not. I stated my opinions and neither of us are going to sway each other one way or another.

[Surf Monkey]

Surf, I am obviously a conservative and you are obviously not. I stated my opinions and neither of us are going to sway each other one way or another.

Agreed. I'm just not sure how productive it is to press a political ideology on this part of the board. Maybe we need a dedicated politics sub-forum.

[Serendipity]

I love how people can argue even when they're in agreement on an issue.

[Surf Monkey]

I love how people can argue even when they're in agreement on an issue.

There's no argument going on here. Just discussion of a side issue.

If a real argument breaks out, you'll know.

[Kate51]

Surf Monkey read ingredient lists from your juice, if you cannot find one contact your supplier. I use JC juice, and yes, it is certainly derived from tobacco, something I would insist on. NO to synthetic.

The debate now seems to be over, I have tried watching on C-span, but just haven't the time today. I watched the good Senator from Arizona put in a plea for the amendment, Reid nearly choked. That was at 2:30 central time. Do not know what happened after that. Minority Leader McConnell also Objected to cloture. So noted. Chris Dodd also put in his two cents worth. It's about the Children!!!!!!!!!!!! FDA has jurisdiction over everything except tobacco!! Not heard of!! Ammendments are STUPID, in his opinion. I hope people will look at him and vote for someone else from Connecticut. Get Busy People. THIS MAN HAS FLIPPED OUT, go home!!

[Wally]

According to Dekang, which claims to supply 90% of the e-cig fluid in the world, their nicotine is derived from tobacco, as is many of their flavorings. They also stated that Ruyan uses synthetic nicotine in their products. There was a long thread on the forum in which Dekang made many posts.

[OutWest]

The proponents of the bill keep saying how there is nobody regulating tobacco (which as we saw with Burr, that's not the case). Apparently (based on what the ones pushing for this bill to pass as-is have said), the ATF is totally ineffective at doing their job, as well as the Attorney General.

The more I watch, the more P.O.'d I get. Kudos to the senator that threw a wrench into the works. Not sure what he did, but from what was said there is one senator that is holding up the putting of the bill on the floor for a vote.