Patents

[yvilla]

Yury, because of the "grandfathering" provisions of the legislation that seems poised to be passed. They essentially exempt products that were marketed in the US before February 2007 from many of the new approval and regulation provisions.

So, if ecigs were considered a tobacco alternative, and not a drug device, they would be in much better shape for remaining lawfully on the market, if it can be shown they were fully being marketed here before that critical date (and if that date does not get changed in the bill finally passed).

[Wally]

My understanding is that the date is only relevant to the e-cig if the e-cig is "tobacco." If the e-cig is a drug/delivery device, the date and this bill have no significance. For other valuable harm reduction approaches (snus, etc.) this bill is very significant.

Edit: Sorry Yvilla, I didn't see your post before I did mine. Same idea.

[TropicalBob]

That day is specified in the bill heading for approval and ultimately law. Feb. 7, 2007.

Why? It was in an older bill and not changed, proponents argue. But is also eliminates grandfathering in the Camel Orbs, Sticks and Strips, the Camel snus products, and all electronic cigarettes. Why is that important? Read on.

If approval of a new product is sought, it will be considered by a scientific panel and the proof level is a pure Catch-22: No one can meet the proof standard, so all new products and those introduced after Feb. 7, 2007, are banned.

This impacts RJ Reynolds, P. Lorillard, some small innovative companies and the Chinese makers of e-cigs. Philip Morris, the company that worded must of the bill, is unfazed since it has no new products since that date.

PM wins. Competitors and smokers lose.

[breakfastchef]

Philip Morris, the company that worded must of the bill, is unfazed since it has no new products since that date.

PM wins. Competitors and smokers lose.

PM made a business decision to take a lead role in writing this legislation to essentially lock in their market leading position, eliminate some competetive products and makes it costly for other companies to introduce new harm reduction products. Wrap it around kids and say this one is for Ted, and, well, you know how it goes.

[LaceyUnderall]

PM made a business decision to take a lead role in writing this legislation to essentially lock in their market leading position, eliminate some competetive products and makes it costly for other companies to introduce new harm reduction products. Wrap it around kids and say this one is for Ted, and, well, you know how it goes.

This is the beginning of their change in position. If you haven't read it, it is very interesting.

http://www.altria.com/download/pdf/M...rrish_Yale.pdf

[JustMeAgain]

That date, as I understand it, involves a product actively being sold in the United States. Not patented. Not being market-tested. But being sold on the open market prior to February 2007.

I'd love to find out that is NOT the case if anyone knows for certain ...

I found this but I don't have access to this newspaper. I'll keep looking for more information, but thought I'd put this out there in case anyone in CA has the ability to search this papers archives for the full article.

Let me know if ya'all already know about this or if I'm way off track:

Santa Barbara News-Press, Calif., Business Unlimited Column.
Free with registration - Santa Barbara News-Press - AccessMyLibrary.com - Feb 11, 2004
First out of the gate, after about five years of research and clinical trials, is SmokeSignals, a high-tech electronic cigarette case which delivers ...

[LUX Vaporer]

I found this but I don't have access to this newspaper. I'll keep looking for more information, but thought I'd put this out there in case anyone in CA has the ability to search this papers archives for the full article.

Let me know if ya'all already know about this or if I'm way off track:

Santa Barbara News-Press, Calif., Business Unlimited Column.
Free with registration - Santa Barbara News-Press - AccessMyLibrary.com - Feb 11, 2004
First out of the gate, after about five years of research and clinical trials, is SmokeSignals, a high-tech electronic cigarette case which delivers ...

It's a smart, interactive case that holds one pack of cigarettes. It monitors your habits, and signals you when to smoke.

[JustMeAgain]

It's a smart, interactive case that holds one pack of cigarettes. It monitors your habits, and signals you when to smoke.

ok...sry bout that one but I'm on a roll now lol...are any of these interesting?

You have to check out this video:
Internet Archive: Free Download: Favor Smoke Free Cigarettes

COMPANY SNIFFS PROFITS FROM A SMOKELESS CIGARETTE

Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - ProQuest Archiver - May 27, 1986
If so, you might consider offering your acquaintances who smoke a Favor, a new smokeless cigarette available in California and several Southwestern states. ...
All 2 related - Related web pages

New cigarette clears air .

Sunday Star-News - Google News Archive - Jan 26, 1984
A Texas— firm plans to market a "smokeless cigarette" using tobacco in a liquid form that may ... Since users would inhale nicotine vapor instead of smoke, ...
All 3 related - Related web pages

False Starts and Failures Thwart Quest for Safe Cigarette
nytimes.com - Jul 3, 1997
Mr. Ramstrom said snuff manufacturers in the United States, like UST Inc., ... a cigarette-like plastic tube called Favor that contained a nicotine vapor. ...
All 6 related - Related web pages

Not sure if I've heard of this one around here..I knew about Accord and Premiere, but Eclipse was new to me:
A Safer Smoke Or Just Another Smokescreen?;Reynold Courts Support for...
nytimes.com - Apr 12, 1996
... activists and win their support for a nearly smokeless cigarette called Eclipse, ... Flavor and nicotine are carried to smokers on heated vapor, ...
All 13 related - Related web pages
This is a radio discussion with RJR about Eclipse: Eclipse did have actual tobacco, but it is heated rather than burned. About 11 minutes into the discussion, the RJR guy says that heating instead of burning changes it from tar to ‘glycerin and water’
It also discusses the 'drug delivery device' aspect -
Internet Archive: Free Download: New Eclipse Cigarette: A View from the Other Side, KNON-FM, Dallas. 7:00 Am, Side A.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/08/prweb276303.htm

Ok, do I keep going or is this stuff that's already been hashed over?

[LUX Vaporer]

ok...sry bout that one but I'm on a roll now lol...are any of these interesting?

You have to check out this video:
Internet Archive: Free Download: Favor Smoke Free Cigarettes

COMPANY SNIFFS PROFITS FROM A SMOKELESS CIGARETTE

Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - ProQuest Archiver - May 27, 1986
If so, you might consider offering your acquaintances who smoke a Favor, a new smokeless cigarette available in California and several Southwestern states. ...
All 2 related - Related web pages

New cigarette clears air .

Sunday Star-News - Google News Archive - Jan 26, 1984
A Texas— firm plans to market a "smokeless cigarette" using tobacco in a liquid form that may ... Since users would inhale nicotine vapor instead of smoke, ...
All 3 related - Related web pages

False Starts and Failures Thwart Quest for Safe Cigarette
nytimes.com - Jul 3, 1997
Mr. Ramstrom said snuff manufacturers in the United States, like UST Inc., ... a cigarette-like plastic tube called Favor that contained a nicotine vapor. ...
All 6 related - Related web pages

Not sure if I've heard of this one around here..I knew about Accord and Premiere, but Eclipse was new to me:
A Safer Smoke Or Just Another Smokescreen?;Reynold Courts Support for...
nytimes.com - Apr 12, 1996
... activists and win their support for a nearly smokeless cigarette called Eclipse, ... Flavor and nicotine are carried to smokers on heated vapor, ...
All 13 related - Related web pages
This is a radio discussion with RJR about Eclipse: Eclipse did have actual tobacco, but it is heated rather than burned. About 11 minutes into the discussion, the RJR guy says that heating instead of burning changes it from tar to ‘glycerin and water’
It also discusses the 'drug delivery device' aspect -
Internet Archive: Free Download: New Eclipse Cigarette: A View from the Other Side, KNON-FM, Dallas. 7:00 Am, Side A.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/08/prweb276303.htm

Ok, do I keep going or is this stuff that's already been hashed over?

Hmmm... It seems like it would apply. While fishing, I found this.

Some things just never change lol

April 10, 1996
ANTISMOKERS ASK FDA TO BLOCK SMOKELESS CIGARETTE

In 1987, the FDA blocked Advanced Tobacco Products' Favor Smokeless Cigarettes, which was a "plug impregnanted with a nicotine solution" inside a cigarette-looking tube, by declaring it a drug that simply delivered addictive nicotine into the body.

DJC.COM: ANTISMOKERS ASK FDA TO BLOCK SMOKELESS CIGARETTE, provided by Seattle Daily Journal of Commerce Newspaper