Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

[lotus14]

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Originally Posted by LABeachBum
coughing, dry throat, headaches, dizziness, drowsiness, and tiredness. This study also found long-term exposure to smoke and fog was associated with both short-term and long-term respiratory problems such as chest tightness and wheezing.

We were already getting these side effects with tobacco smoking. So it's definitely not WORSE than tobacco. I believe that study also stated that non-smokers were affected the worst.

In addition, some of those fog machines have oils & other additives (including ethylene glycol) in them - so they stated they couldn't place the blame on PG alone.

So, some of the same MINOR side effects as tobacco smoking, yet still without 99% of the toxins.

Guess what these are the possible side effects for:
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headache, dizziness, lightheadedness, drowsiness, stomach upset, nausea, flushing red, itchy or irritated skin, breathing difficulties, chest pain, irregular heartbeat, nervousness, anxiety or tremors.
The nicotine patch.

True enough about the patch, kristin. But they work 5% of the time! What's a few side effects compared to that?

Of course the real money's in that extra safe, works like a charm, Chantix - 2 Billion dollars a year in sales! Must be good stuff

Good thing the FDA had unbiased studies done on Chantix before they approved it. Wonder what Wonder Drug we get next?

[Sun Vaporer]

All these months for a preliminary injunction. There is no justice. Time means FDA wins, no matter what the addled judge decides.

I hear your frustration Minimike, but that just not may be the case. Only the ruling will tell us that when it comes down. There were a lot of good reasons if you have been following this case for a ruling to take so long. The Judge had to wait to see if new legislation was going to be passed, which it was. Judge Leon also called for a second hearing on the merits to hear the parties arguments about how this new legislation impacted the instant case. And then there were numerous filings by the parties and third parties, all with replies.


So when you really take a look at the timeline of this case, it is quite logical as to how we went this long without seeing a ruling on the Prelminary Injunction. I do think we will see movement on the Docket this week, but time will tell.


Sun

[MaDPimP]

Flash Vaping is not a bad idea at all. A great way to educate folks about it. And you're right, lots of youtube videos... especially if we did some choreography by synching everyone's motions. HA!

Anyways, they will be able to see first hand that a mass of people can vape around you without smelling a thing (cept maybe my fierce pineapple flavor). It might even stir up some media attention... hmm... we would def stir up media attention if we flash vaped naked... call it FLESH VAPING...

Do we have a choreographer in the forum lol? Itll be just like sean of the dead only with vape

[Scaralouche]

Sun, or anyone else for that matter, what do you think the impact of Britain's more or less acquiesence and allowance of ecig marketing in their country will have here, especially on this ruling? given their tight relations to the US, do you think there would be any influence coming from that ruling? i think maybe the UK got tired of waiting around for a decision from us, and made one on their own.

the Brits have definitely gone the direction i would have gone, if i were in charge of deciding on this issue. just create a whole new classification and ruleset therein for this new device, which clearly doesnt fit in any category. is that too logical for this government?

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun, or anyone else for that matter, what do you think the impact of Britain's more or less acquiesence and allowance of ecig marketing in their country will have here, especially on this ruling? given their tight relations to the US, do you think there would be any influence coming from that ruling? i think maybe the UK got tired of waiting around for a decision from us, and made one on their own.

the Brits have definitely gone the direction i would have gone, if i were in charge of deciding on this issue. just create a whole new classification and ruleset therein for this new device, which clearly doesnt fit in any category. is that too logical for this government?

Scaralouche---The UK approch is logical, but do not look for a mirror image here---they have socalized medicine and no tobacco industry. So absent the major influence of Big Pharma or Big Tobacco, the UK was able to come up with a reasonable approch compared to here in the US. So yes, the UK's approch may just in fact be "too logical".


Sun

[westcoast2]

Sun, or anyone else for that matter, what do you think the impact of Britain's more or less acquiesence and allowance of ecig marketing in their country will have here, especially on this ruling? given their tight relations to the US, do you think there would be any influence coming from that ruling? i think maybe the UK got tired of waiting around for a decision from us, and made one on their own.

the Brits have definitely gone the direction i would have gone, if i were in charge of deciding on this issue. just create a whole new classification and ruleset therein for this new device, which clearly doesnt fit in any category. is that too logical for this government?

I am unsure what this means. The Brits haven't made any decisions as such. E-cigs are covered by current laws.

The idea of a new classification for Nictone has been around for quite a while mainly from the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) who are more interested in geting people to use medicinal nicotine rather than e-cigs.

Sun Vaporer wrote:

Scaralouche---The UK approch is logical, but do not look for a mirror image here---they have socalized medicine and no tobacco industry. So absent the major influence of Big Pharma or Big Tobacco, the UK was able to come up with a reasonable approch compared to here in the US. So yes, the UK's approch may just in fact be "too logical".

Again I am unclear what is meant by 'the UK approach'?
The UK is not absent BigP. Indeed GSK, as others, are very well represented in the UK. Socialized medicine does not negate BigP influence. The UK also have a tobacco industry - BAT and Imperial Tobacco to name but two.

There is still not the amount of coverage of e-cigs that there seems to be in the US, so the main discussions have been with suppliers and how best to comply with labeling and packaging regulations. The other main difference is that there is not one single UK agency (like the FDA) that could offer guidance without new legislation (I believe)

Since the laws are different it is difficult to say what influence UK laws can have in this case. An e-cig isn't claissified (AFIK) as either a drug delivery or tobacco product for the purposes of legislation, it is just another electronic gadget. The e-juice is regulated to some extent. A pity this wasn't explored earlier rather than getting into this bi-polar mode.

Indeed in the early stages the argument seemed to be that the FDA should treat the e-cig in a 'tobacco like' or 'functionaly equivalent' way rather than as a defacto Tobacco Product or drug delivery device. This would suggest the FDA would not want jurisdiction. (In the same way they did not regulate before the new act giving the FDA the power to regulate Tobacco products).
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(I did look back and may have missed a post about the 'UK approach')
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[SquirrilahFish]

Again there was no movement on the Docket Sheet today. It has been over 3 weeks since here was any movement on the Docket. All we can do is wait as I do think it will be this week.


Sun

Heads are gonna explode this takes any longer
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[Sun Vaporer]

Heads are gonna explode this takes any longer
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Squirrl---Yes, it sure has been a long road, but lets see what Judge Leon has to say. The ruling will come one way or the other.


Sun

[JustMeAgain]

Question:

If a carcinogen is in quantities lower than the level of toxicity, should it still be called a "carcinogen"?

We’ve had at 3 or 4 schools shut down in the last month or so in order to clean up after a mercury spill. One was a broken thermometer in a nurse’s office. Yet, mercury is a component – a very small component – in vaccinations. Yet, we continue to use it. Why? Because it’s cheaper than an alternative preservative.

We will shut down an entire school for multiple days because of a broken thermometer, but it’s ok to inject it because ‘it’s not much’.

thimerosal, thiomersal, thiomersalate:
a mercury-containing compound used as a local antibacterial agent in the form of the tincture. Used also as a preservative in pharmaceutical preparations. Known as Merthiolate.

Edit: I don't mean to imply that people shouldn't vaccinate their children. I'm only commenting on the spectacular lack of logic.

And the beat goes on.

[Sun Vaporer]

Today there was no movement on the Docket Sheet. Nothing--not one ruling. I think Judge Leon is going to make a blanket ruling anyway. All we can do is wait and see.


Sun