Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

[Territoo]

Serious reminder that the trolls are lurking.....

[TropicalBob]

As are merchants who jump on every chance to sell their products pre-regulation or pre-ban. This is a PR release ... one-sided, of course, and little more than a rehash of some posts on this forum. This means nothing in the Big Picture.

[Vaporer]

It is a good reminder that the trolls do read here and one should be careful what they post. Don't load thier guns for them.

[Sun Vaporer]

It is a good reminder that the trolls do read here and one should be careful what they post. Don't load thier guns for them.

Vaporer--I am not too concerned about trolls looking here, it is not going to change the Court's ruling or have any impact at all. I do hope NJOY reads like SE does--as they may get a little insight here.

NJOY based all of their pleadings on the fact that they never marketed the NJOY with any claims. As Counsel for SE points out, and I would concur, this case goes alot deeper then claims. So NJOY might gain a little insight.


Sun

[SquirrilahFish]

wow, been away for the forum for a while, came back, wanted to see the updates, and jesus christ!!!! whats with all the nonsensical chatter!!!! I just want to know whats going on with the damn case! **** beans

[Vaporer]

Sun, I agree it shouldn't have any effect on Judge Leons ruling.
Then, we figure we can only win to a point and I've seen some things posted in threads that could just give the FDA more to dig on. I'm assuming the FDA will have some control from the outcome regardless of which way it goes and they can't think of everything. So why help them?

Its a sad day when the PV and eliquid may not be 100% safe, but it's darn sure better than analogs and one would think the FDA would want this if they are looking out for our well being.
I would think the FDA , that is truely doing thier job, would be embracing a less harmful choice and help/guide the companies to do what is needed for approval.

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun, I agree it shouldn't have any effect on Judge Leons ruling.
Then, we figure we can only win to a point and I've seen some things posted in threads that could just give the FDA more to dig on. I'm assuming the FDA will have some control from the outcome regardless of which way it goes and they can't think of everything. So why help them?

Its a sad day when the PV and eliquid may not be 100% safe, but it's darn sure better than analogs and one would think the FDA would want this if they are looking out for our well being.
I would think the FDA , that is truely doing thier job, would be embracing a less harmful choice and help/guide the companies to do what is needed for approval.

Vaporer--In an ideal world, they e-cig would be jumped on by the FDA and the health community. But as you know, we do not live in a ideal world--there are ulterior motives floating around out there that do not put our health first. Unfortunalty we are left with this mess.

But I see a turning of the tide going on in the last couple of months. If you go to ASH's website--no a word about the e-cig compared to just a lttle while ago when they posted everyday about what they did to try to destroy the e-cig. I see brick and morter signing up again for selling with NJOY and CVS. I see the FDA very quite about its stance and embargo.

Calm before the storm? Maybe. But in the alternative, ever since the UK's division of ASH welcomed the e-cig, I just have been noticing thinks backing off to some extent.


Sun

[oldlady]

Please forgive a total newbie, but now I am confused.

I just did some research to see which countries are allowing e-cigs and which are not allowing them. What I learned is that they have been banned in several countries and regions, including Hong Kong! This is a cause for concern in itself. It seems many of the countries that have implemented bans did so based on the FDA report.

Also, according to China Daily News, Ruyan is lobbying governments to kick its competitors out of the market. It feels "copycats" are violating its intellectual property rights. Wouldn't a total ban hurt it too? Ruyan grew by 105 percent last year. Of course, big U.S. tobacco companies are also lobbying governments worldwide for the same purpose.

Are there any U.S. companies that make e-cigs? WTO rules say we have to treat Chinese imports the same as domestic goods once they hit our market. These days, I doubt China is up for taking any hits in terms of our trade policies.

I also found that many suppliers are shipping to countries that are listed as having banned imports, sales, etc. So, are e-cigs banned in those countries--i.e., Australia and Canada--or not?

Finally, I read that the burden of proof is on the manufacturer(s)--to show that e-cigs are not "dangerous," or at least not as dangerous as other products currently on the market. I would be grateful if one of the lawyers here could confirm this. If so, would every company that makes e-juice have to apply separately for permission to sell its stuff?

btw, it seems most countries that allow e-cigs treat them as a drug.

[Slickstick]

I am sorry is some of my posts piss off suppliers, business owners, and regular vapers. I will speak my mind because I am an average user with nothing to gain by hiding the possibilities of danger. I believe people just like me should know everything involved in vaping. I will continue to state my feelings weather good or bad about the entire e-cig community until my posts are deleted or banned. I know "trolls" are watching. Let us not be ignorant and selfish with our information. We should all work together for the safety of everybody. I do however believe that the good can outweigh the bad. It will be a dark day indeed if juice is ever banned. If it ever does get banned, will all still vape, only it will be in secrecy... and much more dangerous.

[Sun Vaporer]

Please forgive a total newbie, but now I am confused.

I just did some research to see which countries are allowing e-cigs and which are not allowing them. What I learned is that they have been banned in several countries and regions, including Hong Kong! This is a cause for concern in itself. It seems many of the countries that have implemented bans did so based on the FDA report.

Also, according to China Daily News, Ruyan is lobbying governments to kick its competitors out of the market. It feels "copycats" are violating its intellectual property rights. Wouldn't a total ban hurt it too? Ruyan grew by 105 percent last year. Of course, big U.S. tobacco companies are also lobbying governments worldwide for the same purpose.

Are there any U.S. companies that make e-cigs? WTO rules say we have to treat Chinese imports the same as domestic goods once they hit our market. These days, I doubt China is up for taking any hits in terms of our trade policies.

I also found that many suppliers are shipping to countries that are listed as having banned imports, sales, etc. So, are e-cigs banned in those countries--i.e., Australia and Canada--or not?

Finally, I read that the burden of proof is on the manufacturer(s)--to show that e-cigs are not "dangerous," or at least not as dangerous as other products currently on the market. I would be grateful if one of the lawyers here could confirm this. If so, would every company that makes e-juice have to apply separately for permission to sell its stuff?

btw, it seems most countries that allow e-cigs treat them as a drug.

There are bans in some Countries (Canada is only the e-liquid, not the device also). This was to a large extent appeared to be a move to stop loss of tobacco revenue rather then anything the FDA was doing. And yes, Suppliers will still ship there---whether it gets though their customs is anybodys guess.

Sun