Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

[Kurt]

In researching the manufacturing Nicotine. I found that seperating nicotine from natural tobacco is the easiest and most cost effective means to derive highly concentrated solutions of nicotine. By highly concentrated I mean >95% pure nicotine.

sorry for the double post.

You are correct. This is also compounded by the fact that natutal nicotine is an enantiomer, as in l-nicotine. The other enantiomer, d-nicotine, is less active and there have been much less long term studies on it. Think of l-nic and d-nic as being equal in 2-D, but mirror images in 3-D...like your hands are enantiomers of each other. Synthesis of l-nic, or any pure enantiomer, would be very costly, since it is easier to synthesize an equal mixture of the two enantiomers. Pure d-nic is orders of magnitude more expensive than pure l-nic. Plants make l-nic far easier with enzymes, and tobacco makes it in large quantities. Thus, if you see a mention of synthetic nicotine in conjunction with e-juice, it is either a lie, or else half of the nic is the less active form, and there is no knowledge of long term effects on the body. I would not want to be ingesting it at all.

I mention this because there was a post recently elsewhere here that only one company (I'll leave the name out) sold real l-nic, and many others were actually selling synthetic d-nic. I don't know what the reasoning was behind this statement, but it could not be true at all. Cost dictates that we are only getting l-nic, as your research also points out.

That said, to actually carry out this extraction requires specific glassware and reagents, which would be quite expensive for the average person. And without lots of training in organic chemistry, it would be very dangerous, and a toxic waste nightmare. Well, more accurately, it would be dangerous and a toxic waste nightmare for us chemists too, but we know how to deal with those inconveniences. I would say that the chances of someone who didn't have training to do this without at least having to be hospitalized are very low. Indeed, I know exactly how to do it, and what materials I would need, and I would MUCH rather just buy high-nic juice. I don't even want to ever work with pure nic.

[PhiHalcyon]

1. Re-design the ecig concept so that its consumable element is primarily made or derived from tobacco;

In researching the manufacturing Nicotine. I found that seperating nicotine from natural tobacco is the easiest and most cost effective means to derive highly concentrated solutions of nicotine. By highly concentrated I mean >95% pure nicotine.

I am not saying that e-liquid (the consumed element of the ecig) should be made using nicotine from a source other than tobacco. I am saying that e-liquid (or whatever form the consumed element of an ecig or ecig-like product would, could, or must take) should be formulated and designed in such a way that it consists of more tobacco, or tobacco derivatives, than the sum of its non-tobacco components.

[Webby]

Grab some of the popcorn Bill, there's plenty to go around and we are going to be here a long time!!!

I'm just glad we set up our gazebo and strategically set up lawn chairs to mark our territory early. Figures…as soon as we did, Territoo, Y’villa, Vocalek and Kristen all left ME to watch their stuff while they mingled and politic’d with the crowd…

Sun, Mr Kai and Big Jim ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BRINGING drinks back from the bar, but I won’t hold my breath. Oh well, as long as my 510 batts hold out I’ll be fine. Considering the case-pace, I have them stacked like cordwood.

...at least I can can stand here and read over Banzy's latest diatribe against e-cigs while I wait...

[Territoo]

I'm just glad we set up our gazebo and strategically set up lawn chairs to mark our territory early. Figures…as soon as we did, Territoo, Y’villa, Vocalek and Kristen all left ME to watch their stuff while they mingled and politic’d with the crowd…

Sun, Mr Kai and Big Jim ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BRINGING drinks back from the bar, but I won’t hold my breath. Oh well, as long as my 510 batts hold out I’ll be fine. Considering the case-pace, I have them stacked like cordwood.

...at least I can can stand here and read over Banzy's latest diatribe against e-cigs while I wait...

Cute, Webby, really funny. Now what did you do w/ my bag that has all my e-juice in it?

[JerryRM]

I'm just glad we set up our gazebo and strategically set up lawn chairs to mark our territory early. Figures…as soon as we did, Territoo, Y’villa, Vocalek and Kristen all left ME to watch their stuff while they mingled and politic’d with the crowd…

Cute, Webby, really funny. Now what did you do w/ my bag that has all my e-juice in it?

I only have two words to say about this situation:

YARD SALE

[Vocalek]

Cute, Webby, really funny. Now what did you do w/ my bag that has all my e-juice in it?

You're right Terri: Webby DOES look very cute in that beach photo.

[BigJimW]

Sun, Mr Kai and Big Jim ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BRINGING drinks back from the bar, but I won’t hold my breath. Oh well, as long as my 510 batts hold out I’ll be fine. Considering the case-pace, I have them stacked like cordwood.

Sorry, what was that we were supposed to do? I thought you said we could HAVE drinks back at the bar.

No wonder I'm so hung over.

[Webby]

Sorry, what was that we were supposed to do? I thought you said we could HAVE drinks back at the bar.

No wonder I'm so hung over.

Nah, no worries man. It's cool.

Hey - can you watch Territoo's beach bag while I grab a swim? She said you could help yourself to her e-juice, but between you and me, just go easy on the half-gallon marked "Agave & Lime Vape"

I'll bring you back some asprin.

[Territoo]

You can have some of the Agave & Lime, but leave the JD and Coke juice alone.

[JerryRM]

I can see it all now, I will be 95 years old and still checking this thread for Sun's (jr.?) docket updates!!!