Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

[PhiHalcyon]

Chip,

Yes. It is true that the new law, the Tobacco Act, is not yet properly understood ... by most. This is the only reason why we have been granted as much time as we have been. But, the FDA is getting closer. So close, that the Appeals Court may well have to complete the understanding in order to properly rule.

[eric]

Regardless of what one calls the ecig, the probability of it being determined to be a product that the law permits to be regulable as a tobacco product is zero to one. For, in order for the ecig to be a tobacco product, it would need to be an accessory of a product that is primarily made or derived from tobacco; and e-liquid is not even remotely close to being primarily made or derived from tobacco.

Those who are in a position to do so need to re-formulate e-liquid to include certain other volatile derivatives of tobacco that are of little to no concern in regards to their harmfulness - whether they are particularly beneficial to the pharmacological or sensory experience of 'liquidized tobacco vaping' or not. For, it is only in re-formulating e-liquid to contain more tobacco derivatives than the sum of its non-tobacco components that e-liquid, and, by extension, the ecig, can be regulable as tobacco products.

Adding large quantities of the volatile flavor fraction of tobacco (and perhaps an inadvertent alkaloid or two) could very well prove to be a richly positive change to be forced to make. The only question is: Will those who are in a position to make this change do so before the DIY ecig era is forced to dawn?

Do you reckon tossing a whole tobacco leaf in each bottle at manufacture would be enough?

[2pooped]

Do you reckon tossing a whole tobacco leaf in each bottle at manufacture would be enough?

It had better be a gallon bottle! Ever seen a tobacco leaf

[PhiHalcyon]

Do you reckon tossing a whole tobacco leaf in each bottle at manufacture would be enough?

As tongue-in-cheek as your question may have been ...

Since the leaf would not itself be consumed, it would only be that which got extracted into the liquid that would count. So, no. That would not be sufficient. Nor does it sound particularly desirable even if it were. If it is to be worth doing at all, then all undesirables should be avoided.



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[Hookaddict]

Heres a good idea to make it a tobacco product let pure/natural tobacco soak in a pg/vg bath for 10-30 minutes depending on the flavor its going to be used for then drain the pg/vg from the bath to use in the e-liquid making process, that will solve the tobacco issue right there and make it a tobacco product without contest because tobacco is used in making the final product.

[Hookaddict]

And may enhance all tobacco flavored e-liquids I might add

[PhiHalcyon]

Hookaddict,

In order for an e-liquid product to be primarily made or derived from tobacco, the ratio of tobacco derivatives to the sum of its non-tobacco components would need to be greater than fifty percent. Not only would your approach not achieve this, but it would also contain substances that we do not want.

[Hookaddict]

I said that because i read on the FDA site that The term tobacco product means any product made or derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption, including any component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product. This includes, among other products, cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, roll-your-own tobacco, and smokeless tobacco.thats why,didnt know about the 50% I thought that the pg/vg could be considered as a component/part or accessory when combined with natural pesticide free tobacco

[Sun Vaporer]

We go into the weekend with no ruling from the Appeals Court as reflected on the Docket Sheet.



Sun

[JerryRM]

We go into the weekend with no ruling from the Appeals Court as reflected on the Docket Sheet.



Sun

Thanks Sun. Time to make more popcorn!!!