Dana Tyler CBS News spread more fear tonight

[Vocalek]

To everyone interested in helping in this study PM me, I am currently located in California at Berkley but I can use your help in several other ways. Also I will be posting the results, even though I already have a pretty good idea of what the end results will be. so PM me!

Concern over "2nd hand vapor" is the excuse being used to ban indoor use of e-cigs. Is there some way you can hook up with experts in environmental health at your university to demonstrate that the vapor does not present any danger to bystanders when used indoors? It would be vital to get this done ASAP and the results widely disseminated. Send the results to the Governor before Oct. 11. See California


Also, take a look at the opportunies for research grant money:

Research Grant Opportunity - California

[LaceyUnderall]

It's primarily marketed as a winterize for RVs and such. Yep, sits in the drinking water system all winter. Flush in the spring and good to go. You can get it for you car but it's not that common from what I can tell.

Nestran

Thank you for that clarification. So it would be safe to say that this comparison to the antifreeze in our vehicles is simply wrong?

and I received the following response (and yes, I was surprised!):

You are absolutely right! The ingredient cartridge contains propylene glycol, the substance theaters use to produce mist and smog on stage. When the Food and Drug Administration conducted laboratory analysis of e-cigarette samples, they found “diethylene glycol” (an antifreeze ingredient that is toxic to humans.)

I should have distinguished the proper glycol. When you are being interviewed, human nature as it is, you have a tendency to be nervous and think fast on the questioning from the reporter from Channel 2 News. It was my error on the wrong choice of glycols.

Previously before the interview was conducted, I was questioned by the reporter and did mention the FDA findings and distinguished the two glycols. When I saw the piece, I knew I didn’t properly clarify the point.

Be well.
Al

This is wonderful! Since you have opened the lines of communication with him, would you be willing to send on the Exponent report (peer review of the FDA study) and possibly the EPA analysis that I found regarding propylene glycol?

He *might* be willing to at least give it a look and a review. He seems reasonable and he seems human... based on his response. I have other studies if he is interested...

EPA Analysis on PG use in products: http://e-cig.org/pdfs/EPA-Approval-of-PG.pdf
Exponent Study: http://e-cig.org/pdfs/Response-to-the-FDA-Summary.pdf

[BARENETTED]

Lacey - I sent him the EPA approval link this afternoon. He has not responded to me.

[LaceyUnderall]

Lacey - I sent him the EPA approval link this afternoon. He has not responded to me.

Wonderful. Any traction we can get.

At this point, we need one person who has access to the council to ask them to sit back for a moment and review *this*.

You never know.

[Nestran]

Thank you for that clarification. So it would be safe to say that this comparison to the antifreeze in our vehicles is simply wrong?

No, I would not say it is wrong, you can find it in vehicles. There is an omission of truth in the fact that it is a non toxic form of antifreeze.

Nestran

[BARENETTED]

There is an omission of truth in the fact that it is a non toxic form of antifreeze.

Nestran

Can you please explain that statement to me? Thanks!

[Our House]

Can you please explain that statement to me? Thanks!

Antifreeze - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Propylene glycol, on the other hand, is considerably less toxic and may be labeled as 'non-toxic antifreeze'. It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in water pipes in homes, as well as numerous other settings."

If it's used to make antifreeze "less/non toxic", there's a decent chance that propylene glycol is NOT the ingredient which makes antifreeze toxic.

[Kate51]

No, I would not say it is wrong, you can find it in vehicles. There is an omission of truth in the fact that it is a non toxic form of antifreeze.

Nestran

Really it is only safer, not totally without drawbacks, because there are also anticorrosives (petroleum products) and antifoamants (?) added into it, and some water. So the safer means 95% "safe", but the other 5% of additives makes it still toxic. But it will not be highly poisonous or toxic as the old ethylene or diethylene glycol. The freeze temp is about -55` both for PG or VG, but I believe Propylene Glycol is the more common Safer Antifreeze.

[mtndude]

"They found e-cigarettes contain proprelyne glycol which is basically the chemical used to make the smoke in this product," said Albert J. Ferrara of the New Jersey Health Department. "We don't know how serious that could be, but, again, it is an ingredient used in antifreeze in our cars and that doesn't sound healthy to any of us."

You are absolutely right! The ingredient cartridge contains propylene glycol, the substance theaters use to produce mist and smog on stage. When the Food and Drug Administration conducted laboratory analysis of e-cigarette samples, they found “diethylene glycol” (an antifreeze ingredient that is toxic to humans.)

I should have distinguished the proper glycol. When you are being interviewed, human nature as it is, you have a tendency to be nervous and think fast on the questioning from the reporter from Channel 2 News. It was my error on the wrong choice of glycols.

So, he meant to say this, then?

They found e-cigarettes contain diethylene glycol which is basically the chemical used to make the smoke in this product.

OH, that would have made things better

[Backslash]