Article in local paper

[jennlsnoopy]

This article was in my local paper this morning. Talks about the e-cig.

Makers of E-cigarettes promise a healthier way to smoke | Spokesman.com | Sep 29, 2009

[jennlsnoopy]

Oh. Looks like someone already posted this article from thier paper. Sorry.

[Mo JJC]

Thats Ok, I missed the first one and dug it off your post

[bassn99]

I wish every article would stop quoting the FDA's mis-information. It's like they are the absolute authorities and can do and tell no wrong. SInce When?

[jennlsnoopy]

I know. I hate when they twist the information around. I also think it's interesting that they are always using the "antifreeze" thing in the articles I read. I may be wrong, but I thought PG was put in antifreeze to make it LESS toxic.

[LaceyUnderall]

jennlsnoopy -

We were just talking about it in another thread today... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...r-tonight.html (Nestran has some good words on the whole thing) the fact that PG is put into antifreeze to make it less toxic... and actually, it is used in food processing plants, home type situations that would call for antifreeze and antifreeze with PG is less likely to be found in vehicles.

You are not wrong and recently, I just read a study from the EPA that notes, in a nutshell, that they would rather see PG used as it dissipates extremely quickly and is basically non-toxic to the environment. The green movement is slowly moving us towards a less toxic world...

[dragonpuff]

I'm gonna say the same thing i said about the article in the other post:

I love how this article begins and ends with consumer's experiences! The words most likely to be remembered in any article are the first and the last, and this article definitely leaves a great impression

I wouldn't worry too much about double-threading this one, it deserves the extra attention!

Mo, do you have a digg link?

[misterME]

I know. I hate when they twist the information around. I also think it's interesting that they are always using the "antifreeze" thing in the articles I read. I may be wrong, but I thought PG was put in antifreeze to make it LESS toxic.

The article isn't claiming that PG is the toxic substance also found in anti-freeze. It specifically calls out diethylene glycol, which is toxic to humans. I believe it was found in one of SE's cartridges that the FDA examined.

Because of the similar-sounding "propylene glycol" and "diethylene glycol" (presumably because they both have the word "glycol" in them), the findings have been misrepresented in a lot of articles and interviews, stating that PG is the dangerous ingredient found in the FDA's studies.

What makes it worse is the anti-freeze confusion. Some toxic anti-freeze solutions contain diethylene glycol. Non-toxic (or less-toxic) anti-freeze solutions contain PG instead. It lowers the toxicity and makes the substance less environmentally harmful.

While PG is not dangerous, and is actually FDA approved for use in foods and drugs, the diethylene glycol is toxic. It is the finding of that in their tests that gives the FDA ammo for its current campaign.

[LaceyUnderall]

I know this is a double post but as there are two threads discussing PG/DEG etc... I pulled this article from the time machine this morning and thought it was a great point that VocalEK made in her article and should be on our minds when DEG is being discussed:

Is tobacco safer than electronic cigarettes? - by Elaine Keller - Helium

"The e-cigarette cartridges tested by the FDA can hold between 0.5 and 1 ml of liquid. The FDA testing found 1% DEG in one of the cartridges. It would take 100 of the 1 ml cartridges or 200 of the 0.5 ml cartridges to yield 1 ml of DEG. Therefore a 150-pound user would have to consume between 6800 and 13600 cartridges in a single day to take in a toxic level of DEG. On average, an e-cigarette user consumes one cartridge per day."

[jennlsnoopy]

The article isn't claiming that PG is the toxic substance also found in anti-freeze. It specifically calls out diethylene glycol, which is toxic to humans. I believe it was found in one of SE's cartridges that the FDA examined.

Because of the similar-sounding "propylene glycol" and "diethylene glycol" (presumably because they both have the word "glycol" in them), the findings have been misrepresented in a lot of articles and interviews, stating that PG is the dangerous ingredient found in the FDA's studies.

What makes it worse is the anti-freeze confusion. Some toxic anti-freeze solutions contain diethylene glycol. Non-toxic (or less-toxic) anti-freeze solutions contain PG instead. It lowers the toxicity and makes the substance less environmentally harmful.

While PG is not dangerous, and is actually FDA approved for use in foods and drugs, the diethylene glycol is toxic. It is the finding of that in their tests that gives the FDA ammo for its current campaign.

I see what you mean. That could get really confusing. It's too bad that a company had to use diethylene glycol and give the FDA this "ammo" because most companies out there do not use that.

When I tell people about the e-cig for the first time and tell them whats in it I sometimes get "oh, propylene glycol is in antifreeze." That right there can scare someone away. I guess they figure if it's in antifreeze then it must be bad. I've been telling them that its put in antifreeze to make it less toxic, and I was hoping I was giving acurate information.

I'm so happy for once in the last 13 years I acually feel healthy and am not coughing all the time. Me and my husband are always saying "its a miracle!"