Formidable new foe

[TropicalBob]

Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights is an anti organization that we'd really like to have on our side. Aren't e-cig users non-smokers? Didn't many here kick tobacco cigarettes after finding fulfillment in e-cigs?

But support is apparently not going to be the case with ANR. They are taking a position that e-cig products cannot be used in non-smoking areas -- the very reason many here love e-cigs. This would include all workplaces, as well as parks, beaches, libraries, etc.

They are sending notices that local restrictions proposed on public use of e-cigs should be supported.

Here's a recent "alert":

Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights is concerned that the manufacturers of e-cigarettes are marketing them as something that smokers can use in smokefree workplaces and public places. Absent any proof that e-cigarettes are harmless to people exposed to the vapors they emit, their use in smokefree spaces would be a great disservice to public health. The lack of substantial research on e-cigarettes and the potential health risks posed by the use of this product, both to the user and to the people around them, is of grave concern. The burden of proof on the safety of e-cigarettes rests on their manufacturers.

Do not take these words lightly. This is a powerful enemy!

[nubee]

So do they all walk and/or ride bicycles thoughout their day or do they also expose me to their harmful CO emmissions????

[Mac]

Wow another bunch of douchebags on a power trip. Imagine that.

[martha1014]

I went to the ex-smokers forum where there was a lively debate going on regarding ecigs. The ex-smokers were 100% aginst ecigs. They said this was not the same thing as quitting smoking because we are still getting nicotine. It was argured that gum and patches have nicotine but it was like hitting your head against a brick wall. They said ecig was just another way to smoke and was not considered the same thing that all of them did. They told this person to go back to the ecig forum and that they had no place on their forum. It gave me enjoyment to read their arguments.

[Our House]

I went to the ex-smokers forum where there was a lively debate going on regarding ecigs. The ex-smokers were 100% aginst ecigs. They said this was not the same thing as quitting smoking because we are still getting nicotine. It was argured that gum and patches have nicotine but it was like hitting your head against a brick wall. They said ecig was just another way to smoke and was not considered the same thing that all of them did. They told this person to go back to the ecig forum and that they had no place on their forum. It gave me enjoyment to read their arguments.

Once again the opponents passing judgment are ignorant people who NEVER used ecigs before and instead should be minding their own friggin business.

What a shocker!

[Oogie]

Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights is an anti organization that we'd really like to have on our side. Aren't e-cig users non-smokers? Didn't many here kick tobacco cigarettes after finding fulfillment in e-cigs?

But support is apparently not going to be the case with ANR. They are taking a position that e-cig products cannot be used in non-smoking areas -- the very reason many here love e-cigs. This would include all workplaces, as well as parks, beaches, libraries, etc.

They are sending notices that local restrictions proposed on public use of e-cigs should be supported.

Here's a recent "alert":



Do not take these words lightly. This is a powerful enemy!

I take no words lightly that might infringe upon my rights. If they were serious then start by stopping folks from walking around in public with so much damn perfume and cologne that they choke folks. Stop the smells from salons being able to waft through public places - then come and complain about something that you can't even smell.

Docs or it didn't happen- prove where it harms anyone. I can perfume and salon smells.

ok i'll step off my soapbox now. thanks for the heads up.

[JebGipson]

Sad to see, often lately I've been reminded of something I heard on a television show. "American's have it so good that they look for things to complain about." there is more to the statement but that is the most important part, I believe things could be and should be better in certain areas of our government and it's legislation but I by no means do not appreciate how good things really are. But on the other side of the coin, one of the rights that I appreciate so much in this country is our "right to bitch" as I like to call it. But perhaps there are more important things to be complaining about right now? Why have all these anti smoking groups decided to pick on us? Perhaps because of personal issues such as loss of family due to analog cigarettes and therefore not wishing to see anything but evil in relation to any form of nicotine consumption.

[BigJimW]

The big problem with these anti smoking organizations is that many have spent entire careers killing smoking, which on it's face value may not be a bad thing, but then they run on a power trip like this to eliminate the "act" or motions of "smoking".

Basically boils it down to behavioural modification. The "act" is as evil as the "smoke" .

But I do agree with this point:

The burden of proof on the safety of e-cigarettes rests on their manufacturers.

Lets hope the manufacturers follow this lead and prove to these groups once and for all that the e-cig is a safe alternative and harmless to others around a user. The manufacturers need to step up to the plate if we're ever going to achieve our goals.

[LaceyUnderall]

Lets hope the manufacturers follow this lead and prove to these groups once and for all that the e-cig is a safe alternative and harmless to others around a user. The manufacturers need to step up to the plate if we're ever going to achieve our goals.

Unfortunately, manufacturers HAVE supplied science (all be it not a lot, but there IS Science available). It simply does not matter what science is presented, this organization WILL NOT accept it. It's a wild goose chase.

Here do this... Ok... here you go. Oh... no wait... we want this... Ok... here you go... Well... we should have clarified we want this... It's a never ending presentation of science and NONE of it will ever prove what they want and that is that the electronic cigarette should just go away.

[Mac]

Unfortunately, manufacturers HAVE supplied science (all be it not a lot, but there IS Science available). It simply does not matter what science is presented, this organization WILL NOT accept it. It's a wild goose chase.

Here do this... Ok... here you go. Oh... no wait... we want this... Ok... here you go... Well... we should have clarified we want this... It's a never ending presentation of science and NONE of it will ever prove what they want and that is that the electronic cigarette should just go away.

Agreed. It's not about public safety it's about control and about money. nothing any of us say will change that. Evil people don't stop being evil just because you show them a lab print out.