Abstinence not healthier than low-risk alternative

**Dolly** · 11-05-2009, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by maxut

i like nicotine. It's a comfort to me and an aid to concentration. If at some future point i have to grow my own tobacco and extract what i require, then that's what i'll do, doctors and government be damned.

preach it.

**Vandal** · 11-05-2009, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by martha1014

How many of you would have stopped smoking without electronic cigarettes.

Certainly not me.

I am happy to read this and feel even more so now that I am on the right road. I can't see me ever functioning without nicotine (smoked from age 15, for 42 years, 2-2 1/2 pack a day smoker). Nor really without the ritual either. It is all very much a part of me.

**lotus14** · 11-06-2009, 03:34 AM

You guys are a bunch of wimps!

Quitting smoking cigarettes cold turkey is EASY.
Hell, I've done it a hundred times.

One time I quit smoking, drinking, and sex all at the same time.
Worst 15 minutes of my life!

**martha1014** · 11-06-2009, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by lotus14

You guys are a bunch of wimps!

Quitting smoking cigarettes cold turkey is EASY.
Hell, I've done it a hundred times.

One time I quit smoking, drinking, and sex all at the same time.
Worst 15 minutes of my life!

That was just to cute.

**P3rplexity** · 11-06-2009, 09:04 AM

Great article! Thanks Vocalek

**e-pipeman** · 11-06-2009, 09:23 AM

Excellent!

**Chasm** · 11-06-2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Brewster 59

The wierd thing is Chantix is known to cause suicidial thoughts and actions in some people and yet is still prescribed also at Kaiser which is my health plan it is only prescribed for 6 weeks and most people go back to smoking after that yet it is still prescribed.

Big Insurance - doing its part to extract profits from nicotine addiction and parcel out a share to Big Pharma/Big Gov then Big Tobacco/Big Gov then...

back & forth... back & forth... etc., etc., etc.

and still managing to keep a hefty share for itself.

Nicotine is less an addictive drug than it is an employment program.

**olderthandirt** · 11-06-2009, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Chasm

Big Insurance - doing its part to extract profits from nicotine addiction and parcel out a share to Big Pharma/Big Gov then Big Tobacco/Big Gov then...

back & forth... back & forth... etc., etc., etc.

and still managing to keep a hefty share for itself.

Nicotine is less an addictive drug than it is an employment program.

**Vocalek** · 11-06-2009, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Chasm

Big Insurance - doing its part to extract profits from nicotine addiction and parcel out a share to Big Pharma/Big Gov then Big Tobacco/Big Gov then...

back & forth... back & forth... etc., etc., etc.

and still managing to keep a hefty share for itself.

Nicotine is less an addictive drug than it is an employment program.

Actually, that's a pretty self-defeating practice for Kaiser. Kaiser is an HMO, so they don't get paid extra for extra office visits. Our plan has a $10 co-pay, but I guarantee you that would not even cover their mal-practice insurance premium. They make more money if we don't visit them as often.

Kaiser would be better off financially as an institution if they had effective ways of helping people stop--and stay stopped--from inhaling smoke. Hmmm... there's an idea.