BT buying e cig maker? in Electronic Cigarette News; I would of thought the real money is in the juice, all constituent parts of juice are very cheap and ...
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I would of thought the real money is in the juice, all constituent parts of juice are very cheap and I imagine that's where the real profits come from. If they make a device that's any good and interoperability is required I imagine someone will machine adaptors for whatever is required.
As for trust, well I'll trust a company that currently produces a much safer product than BT's known killer. Also remember nearly all atomizers come from China and contain primer juice - you have to remember that DK wouldn't put their whole companies reputation at risk by producing sub-standard or poisonous liquid for a small saving on what is a cheap to produce product, it's not like we don't have non-Chinese juice should any scandal arise.
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Originally Posted by
sherid
I am not worried about buying them. I do it all the time. My comment was about a poster who said that they would not trust
BT to regulate e cigs. I found that laughable and ironic since
BT is the most regulated industry in the history of mankind.
So you've seen certification that tobacco is safe to use ?
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Originally Posted by
TropicalBob
Look up the Aria, if you're not familiar with it.
PM has spent decades working on delivering tobacco vapor. Its early products would pave the way for approval of a new product line, as the Family Smoking Prevention act requires.
It was the Accord that Aria was based on... It was developed in 1997-- It never caught on. The Eclipse (RJRTs tobacco product faired better).
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Originally Posted by
LaceyUnderall
And lost. And then if I remember correctly were counter sued for slander

And then lost again.
Thanks for that Info.... however with PM Lawyers would they have lost??
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Originally Posted by
Scottbee
If
PM can come to an agreement with Ruyan, or otherwise acquire Ruyan or their patent holdings, then the manufacturer of most of the
PV's that we know and love could come to an abrupt end. Or....
PM could become a domestic manufacturer and or licensee of the technology.
I find this hard to believe. Isn't China a communist country, where all companies are owed by the state? How can a company like that be purchased by a large foreign company?
How would they even get a US patient? Unless I'm mistaken you cannot patient a product that is illegal, or at very lest in a grey area. I think this would be like trying to patient a meth lab.
Also patients are very limited in scope. We are talking about a heater coil with steel wool around it. The only thing here that might be patentable is the process to weave the wool, or the chemical compound of the wire, for what little either of those are worth. For example I can make a carbonated drink out of sugar, and water and Coke can't say boo about it. Or directly related to e-cigs, commercially produced bat mods...
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Hoping for the best.... expecting the worst.
For BT to produce e-cigs, they would have to first acknowledge that normal cigs are bad, sort of shooting themselves in the foot. I'm thinking they would try to shut it down but who knows really.... hope this benefits us rather than screws us.
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Both RJRT and PM have already marketed safer cigarette designs. These designs heated the tobacco, instead of burning it. The RJRT product, the Eclipse, under the FDA tests showed a 70% reduction in tar and carcinogens.
The problem with the Eclipse is that it got hotter the harder the user sucked on it... The end result is that as it got hotter it began to release more toxic materials. Many users would draw real hard on it meaning they didn't get the reduction. You can still find the Eclipse in some stores.
The PM product, the Accord, was an electronic cigarette... It was shaped like a box with a straw at the end. Users didn't like the way it worked and were confused by the controls.
When the FDA says it will have the tobacco companies develop a safer cig... this is most likely what they mean.
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Originally Posted by
googled
So you've seen certification that tobacco is safe to use ?
No, but it is regulated. We use the liquid with absolutely no questioning about who made it, what the conditions in the facility that made it were, no known quality control methods, etc. etc. I do that as well as everyone in here does. Isn't everyone here a smoker/former smoker who willingly bought tobacco products for decades? I guess we weren't concerned enough about said dangers to actually do anything about it. Face it, nearly everyone here would still be smoking regular cigarettes if e cigs had not appeared out of the blue.
"Deja Moo : The feeling you’ve heard this bull before !"
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I just love how they (Washington) act like flavored things is some kind of underage marketing technique. Why can I at age 50 enjoy chocolate or pina colada???Do they think we are stupid?
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Originally Posted by
littlewing58
I just love how they (Washington) act like flavored things is some kind of underage marketing technique. Why can I at age 50 enjoy chocolate or pina colada???
Do they think we are stupid?
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes.... Washington absolutely sees the American people as stupid. Just listen to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or that loon from Florida Alan Grayson et.al.
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