Philip Morris in negotiations with original E-Cig company

[hizen]

I think if PM purchased and began distributing E-cigs, It would be a good thing and a big swing towards getting people off of analogs for good. Maybe someday tobacco will dissapear and that would be a good thing for everyone as well. I don't know why they wouldn't do this since they now have an inferior product and can get a jump on the future marketplace.

And the benefits would be shared by all .............except of course PM and their shareholders which is why it won't happen. If for a minute you think PM has any interest in getting people off analogs ......well.

[doots]

Look try to understand this .............if BT is interested in entering the e-cig arena at all they have zero reason to buy up some chicken shi* chinese company with perceived patents on the current technology. They could reinvent and redesign this technology in about a day if they choose to. This is not some high tech and hard to engineer technology here. Come on man ............what are you smoking?

Exactly..

These are some of the smartest marketers in the world..

It would probably be the best thing to happen to ecig business..

At least there would be testing involved although I'm sure we would pay more in taxes..

FDA would love that, right?

[Belowme]

Here's the link to the official News about the Phillip Morris negotiations
OfficialWire: Electronic Cigarette Company In Negotiations With Philip Morris


I do believe that PM has done projections and such and has found the e-cig growth and the Ruyan Stock rises and others things to be a threat.

So 2 things can happen in a fight like this. You can keep fighting a product that has gain so much popularity in only a couple years and not achieve anything.

Or 2, You can join in on the competition, I think PM is taking this approach because their advisers are most likely scared of the e-cig Industry and its growth in the next 5 or 10 years.

One example was when the P2P programs FIRST Came out, like Napster, the kid that developed Napster became a Billionaire and many Artist's were suing Napster because of people just downloading their music for FREE and them not making money because less were buying their albums.

Bono from U2 if any of you can recall has actually given in to Napster and then they made a deal where the U2 Song's had to be purchased for $.99 a song or something.

The idea behind the BT companies are to definitely join in on the profits of e-smoking.

They can easily buy out Ruyan and then wipe them out if they want but I think they will definitely negotiate some kind of agreement in order to profit both ways, from Analogs and E-cigs, because of the benefits E-cigs have that Analogs DO NOT.

Tobacco is Never going to go away because Tabacco smokers will NEVER ALL be converted to e-cig's. I have introduced my e-cigs to Analog only smokers and most have liked the idea but MANY has also said negative things about them.

Simply put it, selling the packs of cigarettes are most profitable for Phillip Morris, I do not believe for a second that they will blow down their tobacco factories and burn the Tobacco leaves and simply Convert.

Think about it, many of the Anti-smoking commercials are even Funded by Phillip Morris. They can talk trash about themselves and still know that once you become a analog smoker, you will be a analog smoker.

This may even be a plan for Phillip Morris to simply put on their Marlboro Packs, Quit smoking easy and buy our new quit smoking Electronic Cigarettes.

But whoever reads the Surgeon Generals Messages and thinks twice about it?

An addiction is hard to quit, not many people were willing to take the chance and convert like we have, but of course, we all hope for the best, that they DO.

Harry and Happy Vaping!!!

I just got the Joye Stick v2 and the DSE-905 V2 and am Very happy about them!

I am also trying out the KR mini pipe (Lady's pipe) It is my first E-pipe and it is pretty awesome as well.

YaY!!

[Belowme]

Exactly..

These are some of the smartest marketers in the world..

It would probably be the best thing to happen to ecig business..

At least there would be testing involved although I'm sure we would pay more in taxes..

FDA would love that, right?

The Government has been trying to Tax internet Sales for years and have not succeeded much at that yet so I wouldn't worry too much about the taxes.

And as for E-cigs and the FDA, I think it is all about the Lobbyist's in DC making the import and export of E-cigs so hard because just take a look on the back of the Vitamin bottle you take every morning or any bottle of vitamins, I just randomly took out 2 bottles of vitamins/supplements, 1 is a bottle of Melatonin, which "Promotes Sleep," the other is a bottle of B-Complex and B-12 Vitamins, which "Promotes Energy Metabolism and Nervous System Health," They both have a little box on their label on the back of the bottle saying "These Statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease."
So What is wrong with an E-Cig, when what those supplements claim they do was not even evaluated but is readily available at any drug store or supermarket.

Furthermore, I do not think the FDA cares about the Taxes of a product, I think you are thinking about the IRS.

As with the Testing, Come on, Analogs are PROVEN to have all those killing Chemicals in them, and The one time the BT industry tried to make a Healthy Analog cigarette spending hundreds of millions to produce, FAILED REAL REAL Bad. I don't even remember or know the name of the Brand they put out on the market because I was probably 10 at the time but I heard all about it, they tried putting out a "Safe" Cigarette and nobody liked it, because it tasted like poop.

So I do not think that PM cares too much about the safety of e-cigs versus the safety of Analogs. They do not have to go through all these negotiations just for that reason alone because I am SURE they had Experts Look into many models of e-cigs and Liquids and they definitely could not say that E-cigs, even if there were to be ANY dangers to them, could be ANY worse than a Analog Cig.


Happy Vaping!!!

[Cori]

I view it more of a way for PM to get in on the party rather than shutting it down completely. Even they have to know with the growing taxes in today's economy that many have had to at least cut down on their smoking and in some cases many probably had to quit entirely. Why not hang onto a piece of that pie by selling ecigs? Of course eventually the government will want their cut, so we'll all be back to square one before its over with.

[Scottbee]

One example was when the P2P programs FIRST Came out, like Napster, the kid that developed Napster became a Billionaire and many Artist's were suing Napster because of people just downloading their music for FREE and them not making money because less were buying their albums.

Not to go too far off tangent.. but huh? Say what? Are you talking about Shawn Fanning???

[Belowme]

whatever his name was I dunno, but the last thing I remember of Napster was him throwing a football over his huge office...

[BigBaddBossyDogg]

The Government has been trying to Tax internet Sales for years and have not succeeded much at that yet so I wouldn't worry too much about the taxes.

You should worry about it. The goobermint was VERY successful in taxing analog internet purchases. S-CHIP applied, period, no matter where the purchase was made.

[ShadowWulf]

whatever his name was I dunno, but the last thing I remember of Napster was him throwing a football over his huge office...

On May 17, 2002, Napster announced that its assets would be acquired by German media firm Bertelsmann for $85 million. Pursuant to terms of that agreement, on June 3 Napster filed for Chapter 11 protection under United States bankruptcy laws. On September 3, 2002, an American bankruptcy judge blocked the sale to Bertelsmann and forced Napster to liquidate its assets according to Chapter 7 of the U.S. bankruptcy laws

Napster helped change the music industry, but it went bankrupt doing so. And although he just sold his second startup SnoCap to Imeem, that was more of a mercy acquisition. It is doubtful that he made more than a few pennies on that sale.

HOWEVER

He will be working at Electronic Arts, which is about to buy his social-network-gaming startup Rupture for $30 million

[Paranoyed]

Look try to understand this .............if BT is interested in entering the e-cig arena at all they have zero reason to buy up some chicken shi* chinese company with perceived patents on the current technology. They could reinvent and redesign this technology in about a day if they choose to. This is not some high tech and hard to engineer technology here. Come on man ............what are you smoking?

But if they buy the technology cheap now and force a no compete then they will have free reign to set their prices much higher without competition. If BT starts in on the PV trend then you can bet the FDA will be all for it. BT does not have to worry about market share when they start the market but because of the international following they would be forced to price themselves competatively where as buying out companies will give them market share monoply and make them the pricing authority.