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    Quote Originally Posted by 5cardstud View Post
    Here's another one I recieved today.

    Dear John,

    Thank you for contacting me regarding Senate Bill 6569 which would place electronic cigarettes and vaporizers in the same category as tobacco and other nicotine products. This is a complex issue and one that I am still studying.

    As you are aware tobacco products are dangerous and cause many preventable diseases and deaths each year. I am glad that these electronic versions have helped many people combat their dependence on tobacco. However, I do have concerns that these new forms of smoking will encourage young people to take up smoking, something no one wants to see.

    Thank you again for writing to me on this important issue. I will certainly keep your comments in mind as I consider this piece of legislation. Please do not hesitate to contact me again if you have any further questions or concerns.

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    In regards to my earlier rant about how they only help people on Medicaid, since this is the state, whipped out a few choice words (oh, when you're new to quitting, a good rant can make your day). Sorta make us pay, then maybe you should too (hint, hint, we did get a socialist in Seattle, though wasn't part of that). Also, bring up how are they taxing 0mg? I am now vaping 6mg, with mostly 0 for maintenance and chain vaping. Brought up how us fixed income peeps get really po'd about stuff that costs more.
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    Everybody keep in mind that Provape, the makers of the beloved Provari is based in Washington State...
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    Quote Originally Posted by normajean999 View Post
    If there is somewhere else I should be posting this please let me know.

    Here is a list of the democrat reps that have not said they are opposed. The number is their district #. If they tell you they are now opposed post an update here. If you email them I recommend emailing them individually. I sent a mass email and then once they figured out I wasn't in their district they basically blew me off. If any of their offices tell you they are opposed send me a message or post here and I will update my list. Thanks!
    Cool, wrote out letters (may post to this sites and my upcoming, blogs. Shared in twitter and YouTube, the change.org petition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brickfollett View Post
    Everybody keep in mind that Provape, the makers of the beloved Provari is based in Washington State...
    And for the first time since this started, they are making their customers aware that they are behind the vapers of WA State...

    Dear ProVape Customer and Washington State resident,

    We at ProVape need your help. We wouldn't ordinarily ask, but this is a special case.

    The Washington State Senate and Legislature are considering new taxes (HB2795 and SB6569) that would heavily tax e-cigarettes.

    The result of these new taxes will be the following:
    1. Taxes up to 95% on all e-cigarettes, e-juices and e-cigarette related hardware.
    2. Massive closures of vapor lounges, e-cigarette retailers, e-cigarette manufacturers and e-juice manufacturers.
    3. Limited availability and limited (or no) access to different e-cigarette models and juice flavors.
    4. Cause serious harm to thousands of Washington citizens who have quit smoking analog cigarettes by replacing them with electronic cigarettes.
    5. Remove a viable option many physicians and dentists are recommending to their patients wishing to replace analog cigarettes.

    This legislation will kill vaping in Washington State.

    Please help us in our fight against these outrageous taxes:

    Step 1:
    Use this online tool to locate the contact info for your State Representative and State Senator.
    http://app.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/

    Step 2:
    Once you have located this information, please take the time to call your senator and representatives.
    This amounts to just 3 phone calls.

    Step 3:
    Tell them where you are from and ask them to oppose legislation containing new taxes on vaping products (reference HB2795 and SB6569).

    This amounts to 3 phone calls per person.

    Please encourage friends, family members, and anyone else to make these calls.

    If the elected officials don't hear from us, they will think we don't care. WE DO CARE so the calls have to be made.

    We don't have much time - the deadline is this Thursday, March 13 at midnight.

    Please make the calls today!

    Thank you for your time and your support.

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    A tax of $08/mg would be disastrous to the industry. Part of the conversion from smoker to vapor is a massive learning curve. I know I saved absolutely nothing for over six months buying e cigarettes, liquid, trying this trying that. An additional consideration was that I was smoking 2-3 PAD so I broke even at a very large budget.

    If a PAD smoker had the same early results and did not have a lot of disposable income, the conversion attempt would probably be abandoned. Adding excessive taxes would further discourage the effort.
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    I got the email from provape and made my calls. Gonna send a mass email to every congressional person /senator

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothenbj View Post
    A tax of $08/mg would be disastrous to the industry. Part of the conversion from smoker to vapor is a massive learning curve. I know I saved absolutely nothing for over six months buying e cigarettes, liquid, trying this trying that. An additional consideration was that I was smoking 2-3 PAD so I broke even at a very large budget.

    If a PAD smoker had the same early results and did not have a lot of disposable income, the conversion attempt would probably be abandoned. Adding excessive taxes would further discourage the effort.
    Yeah, my letters included someone smoking 4 to 5 cigarettes a day, probably break even in 10 months.

    There is no other alternative for light smokers. Everything is too strong. And they quit selling individual cigarettes with the tax started in 2005.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImperfectFuture View Post
    Yeah, my letters included someone smoking 4 to 5 cigarettes a day, probably break even in 10 months.

    There is no other alternative for light smokers. Everything is too strong. And they quit selling individual cigarettes with the tax started in 2005.
    It's funny how they seem to forget those nearly $200b in "society costs" for medical and productivity when they lose a few million in cigarette taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brickfollett View Post
    Everybody keep in mind that Provape, the makers of the beloved Provari is based in Washington State...
    I was hoping Provape would've been far more visibly active in the fight against the inane taxes in proposed in WA. IMO, that email is too little too late.

    For some reason, the vaping industry as a whole has just kinda sat back through all this legislative storm and let the consumers do all the heavy lifting (not the BT side, or the big cigalike manufacturers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMA View Post
    I was hoping Provape would've been far more visibly active in the fight against the inane taxes in proposed in WA. IMO, that email is too little too late.

    For some reason, the vaping industry as a whole has just kinda sat back through all this legislative storm and let the consumers do all the heavy lifting (not the BT side, or the big cigalike manufacturers).
    I agree that Provape's effort is disappointing. But what I do see is other WA State companies lobbying for the Vapers. Mt Baker Vapor showed up to testify at the HB275 hearing, as well as several owners and reps from area vape shops. B&M's are trying to get information out there, and if I am not mistaken Joe Baba, who is heading up the WA Vape Association, is also the owner of Tobacco Joe's, a converted tobacco shop with several locations. The small businesses are helping in just about every way that they can, it's the larger companies like Provape that are late to the game.
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