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    I believe I was quite fully cocked in what I sent in.. I did borrow bits and pieces of other things that people have posted..but this is what I sent:
    Dear Governor Quinn,

    I'm not a constituent of yours, nor will I probably ever be. I'm not a resident of Illinois. I do however travel often for both work and recreation to what up until recently I regarded as your fine state.
    Recently, however, I became aware of a great matter of public health concern as well as economic concern. That concern is bill SB3174 which is currently in your state House of Representative. More importantly to me is how this bill concerns electronic cigarettes and other smokeless tobacco.
    You probably have very limited exposure to facts about these devices, as do most legislators. The FDA and several states are attempting to ban these life-saving devices, forcing thousands of smokers (who have successfully switched completely to these safer devices) back to smoking deadly tobacco cigarettes. The legislators of these states appear to be placing the health of their tax revenues over that of the health of their constituents. While the FDA released a statement denouncing them last year, they failed to mention that e-cigarettes contain no more carcinogens than nicotine gum or patches. They also did very limited testing on only 2 brands. There are other COMPLETE studies available that directly refute the FDA claims about e-cigarettes. A federal judge has recently ruled that e-cigarettes are a form of a "tobacco product," as they are not for quitting, necessarily, but as a less harmful alternative. The case is currently in appeals court. The results of that case as well as the pending PACT act may well invalidate this bill before you anyway resulting in a tremendous waste of time that could have been better spent. The American Association of Public Health Physicians is endorsing the use of electronic cigarettes as a reduced harm alternative for those who can't or won't quit. They have recently petitioned the FDA to retract their deceiving statements and to reconsider their stance that these are drug devices vs. a safer alternative to tobacco cigarettes. Both the state of California and the state of Utah have rejected bans placed before them outright. Seemingly these states legislatures prefer to have all their facts before jumping to action.
    Now I'm sure what this really comes down to the state's revenue. I am not so naive as to believe that bills like SB3174 are anything more than an effort to recover taxes the states are losing by decreased tax revenues due to a decrease in cigarette sales. But by all means if anything, propose a tax on the e-cigarettes or the liquids they use, don't just ban them altogether! There are quite a few in the state of Illinois that have made a business of selling these devices and they create jobs, eliminating their business would also cause loss of revenue and jobs in your state.
    Let's face facts, many Americans these days are becoming disenfranchised with the course that our government is taking. We have Illegal drugs and guns on our streets. We have millions of Americans unemployed. We are at war (does anyone remember this?) and the US is in a never ending spiral of depression, both economic and personal. And our elected officials are wasting time with healthier alternatives which could potentially create jobs and tax revenue? And it is to my understanding that you are up for re-election. Realistically, are you willing to throw away the votes of those that are trying to become healthier, and less socially unacceptable as well as small business owners that are helping to stimulate the economy in your state. They WILL remember your actions on this issue.
    I, personally am an electronic cigarette user. I switched from combustible cigarettes on 11/23/09. I am a cancer survivor. I was encouraged to quit smoking by my oncologist and doctor. All the "traditional" nicotine replacement therapies with their proven, dismal failure rates failed to help me quit. I then discovered the electronic cigarette which because of it's design and the ability to still take in nicotine I was able to eliminate all the additional chemicals and tar and carbon monoxide. My doctor and my oncologist are thrilled with this. I'd also point to the fact that NRTs like the patch and gum are not approved for long term use. I will also point to the fact that with the turmoil that the Nation's health care system is in, people tend to self medicate. It is being found that there are benefits to nicotine in the treatment of people with illnesses such as Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, Alzheimer's, and mental disorders such as ADD, ADHD, and schizophrenia. Often they self medicate with cigarettes. Electronic cigarettes give these people a possibly better alternative to those combustible cigarettes. Do you really want to be the politician up for re-election that takes that option away from them?
    Those in power may well, indeed be trying to get us back on regular cigarettes to raise their tax revenues by eliminating the availability of alternatives like electronic cigarettes and smokeless tobacco. But, please keep in mind that the ultimate passage or failure of this bill will not result in my cessation of using this device. It will probably not result in the cessation of it's use by thousands of your constituents. I am not going back to smoking, so you still will not get that tobacco tax revenue from me. I will continue using my electronic cigarette in the state of Illinois whenever I visit, whether you ban them being sold here or not. If it means obtaining them illegally through black market means, then I will become a criminal. Passage of this bill WILL inspire me to spend less time and money in the state of Illinois.

    In short Please Veto Bill SB3174 if it crosses your desk... For the sake of the health, happiness, and well being of your constituents; For the good of your re-election efforts; For the good of your state and the revenue it generates. Bill SB3174 will hurt the state of Illinois more than it helps.


    Sincerely,



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    I wrote to my senator, Matt Murphy, in regards. This sucks! In case any Ill residents want to know how YOUR senator voted to the bill, I have included here.

    Y=Yes, N= Nay NV = no vote

    49 YEAS 4 NAYS 0 PRESENT
    Y Althoff Y Delgado Y Hunter Y Martinez NV Rutherford
    N Bivins Y Demuzio Y Hutchinson NV McCarter Y Sandoval
    Y Bomke N Dillard Y Jacobs Y Meeks Y Schoenberg
    Y Bond Y Duffy Y Jones, E. NV Millner Y Silverstein
    Y Brady Y Forby Y Jones, J. Y Muņoz Y Steans
    N Burzynski Y Frerichs Y Koehler Y Murphy Y Sullivan
    Y Clayborne Y Garrett Y Kotowski Y Noland N Syverson
    Y Collins Y Haine Y Lauzen Y Pankau Y Trotter
    Y Cronin Y Harmon Y Lightford Y Radogno Y Viverito
    Y Crotty Y Hendon Y Link NV Raoul Y Wilhelmi
    Y Dahl Y Holmes Y Luechtefeld NV Righter Y Mr. President
    NV DeLeo Y Hultgren Y Maloney Y Risinger

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    Iin addition, the bill can be rejected by the governor, Pat Quinn. Here is a direct link to a form to contact electronically.

    State of Illinois - Pat Quinn, Governor

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    I am from IL and I appreciate everyone voicing their opinion and helping to fight for our right to vape.

    thanks for acting on it for those who did.

    everyone knows or cares about someone who smokes and could benifit from the e-cig.
    the problem: people are uneducated about e-cigs.


    EDIT: from another forum:
    -If you read the bill it says to ban sales of the product until it has been approved by the FDA.

    -But the Supreme Court already denied the FDA from having control of them!
    Last edited by New_World; 03-17-2010 at 08:14 AM.

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    I contacted Quinn earlier today along with my other reps with polite, but concise letters. I am willing to speak if it comes to that. I didn't see a point in being polite to Link, as he is the one who started this thing.

    Otherwise, speaking with reps is something I do regularly, so I do know how to handle myself.

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    Sent letters off to Gov. Quinn and to the house sponsor on this bill. Will watch this issue closely and anyone who votes for this bill loses my vote next election. Talk about a hypocritical bill...with all the anti-smoking legislation IL has passed in recent years, it is contradictory to try and ban a tobacco-free alternative.

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    If you live in Illinois, contact your Representative. All others, concentrate on members of the House Rules Committee:

    Members are:
    Chairperson :Barbara Flynn Currie
    Springfield Office:300 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8121(217) 524-1794 FAX
    District Office:
    1303 E. 53rd StreetChicago, IL 60615 (773) 667-0550(773) 667-3010 FAXCook County

    Republican Spokesperson :William B. Black
    Springfield Office:314 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-4811(217) 782-1873 FAX
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    7 E. FairchildDanville, IL 61832 (217) 431-1986(217) 431-2088 FAXVermilion County
    Email: wbblack@sbcglobal.net

    R-Member:
    Lou Lang
    Springfield Office:109 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-1252(217) 782-9903 FAX
    District Office:
    4121 Main StreetSkokie, IL 60076 (847) 673-1131(847) 982-0393 FAXCook CountyEmail: langli@ilga.gov

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    Springfield Office:224-N Stratton Office BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-5457(217) 782-1138 FAX
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    R-Member:Arthur L. Turner
    Springfield Office:300 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8116(217) 782-0888 FAX
    District Office:
    3849 W. Ogden AvenueChicago, IL 60623 (773) 277-4700(773) 277-4703 FAXCook County


    If anyone has the email addresses for Barbara Flynn Currie and/or Arthur Turner, please post.


    Talking Points:

    I am contacting you about Illinois SB3174. I urge you to amend this bill so that the prohibition of the sale of products containing nicotine applies only to minors. Nationwide, the number of adult smokers that have been able to substitute what is commonly called an electronic cigarette (or e-cigarette) for all of their tobacco cigarettes is approaching a million.

    <Insert your personal story here - Talk about how long you smoked tobacco cigarettes, how much you smoked, how it affected your health. Talk about the effect that switching to inhaling vaporized nicotine has had on the number of cigarettes you now smoke and the positive effects you have seen on your health.>

    According to a University of Alberta study, over 87% of e-cigarette users are older than 31 years, with 32% more than 50 years old. All are previous smokers. Most -- 79% -- are using e-cigarettes as a complete replacement for their tobacco cigarettes.

    http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/wpapers/011v1.pdf

    I urge you not to remove this remarkably successful tool from the arsenal of the ways we have to reduce the harmful effects of tobacco cigarette smoking.

    Sincerely,
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    Here is my brief letter. My e-cigarette supplier contacted me today regarding the potential closing of their company. We really have to do something about this. However, if the sale of my supplies are stopped, I will either go back to smoking Marlboro's or simply have my supplies ordered & shipped to another state. I left the part about my supplies being bought & shipped to another state LOL.

    Thanks everyone for bringing my attention to this matter.

    Dear Governor Quinn,

    I quit a 28 year, two pack a day crippling tobacco addiction to Marlboro's four weeks and three days ago. It took me five years to implement a program that finally worked. I quit smoking cigarettes by switching to the use of an e-cigarette.

    I understand that there is a bill #SB3174 on the senate table that might get passed to ban the sale of e-cigarettes and the related supplies to Illinois residents. Please act like the California Governor did and allow your residents to do as they wish with nicotine, and continue to buy and use the e-cigarette and related supplies.

    There are a lot of small business people here in Illinois that would have to shut down in these depressed economic times if you were to allow this bill SB3174 to pass.

    Please stop this ludicrous bill from passing. The sale and use of these units and related supplies are strictly sold to people over 18 years of age and are not targeted to children, unlike tobacco products.

    This is the very first time that I have ever contacted any state official about any matter. The reason for me doing so is that I cannot imagine doing back to smoking Marlboro's. If I were not allowed to legally purchase my e-cigarettes and supplies, the very first thing that I will do is to give in to my former addiction to Marlboro's.

    Please keep this bill from passing.

    Thank you very much for your time in reading this plea.

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    Please remember, you can call too. I called and he called me back.

    Be polite, explain how they have helped you and how much this bill will hurt you.

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    I wrote my letter and sent it to both the governor and house rep. if petitions are in the making I would like to be notified to sign.

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