To the states banning sales of e-cigs

[rtbob]

These bills are almost identical in wording. I think it would be a great idea to have our own form letter written, ready to fax to the appropriate people in our own states goverment.

We really don't want me to write it, I feel way to much like BigJim, but I can't control myself as well as he does.

Would one of the calmer, more articulate members of our little group here care to partake in this venture?

This would be the place to post them.

please, please, please.

If this has been done, point me in the right direction.

[o100012000]

i believe Kristin put one together just yesterday, "Regarding State Bans" thread in "Campaigning > Campaigning discussions".

[htchhikr]

FYI, this is important, i have NOT looked at the other states laws except illinois and this looks to me like banning sales to MINORS.

They both fall under heading A here.
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of SB3174

(a) Sale to minors. No person shall knowingly sell, barter,
9 exchange, deliver or give away or cause or permit or procure to
10 be sold, bartered, exchanged, delivered, or given away tobacco
11 accessories or smoking herbs to any person under 18 years of
12 age. 13 (a-5) Sale of bidi cigarettes. No person shall knowingly
14 sell, barter, exchange, deliver, or give away a bidi cigarette
15 to another person, nor shall a person cause or permit or
16 procure a bidi cigarette to be sold, bartered, exchanged,
17 delivered, or given away to another person.
18 (a-6) Nicotine delivery products. No product containing or
19 delivering nicotine intended or expected for human
20 consumption, or any part of such a product, that is not a
21 tobacco product as defined by 21 U.S.C. 321(rr) shall be
22 distributed or sold in this State or to consumers in this State
23 unless it has been approved or otherwise certified for legal




SB3174 Engrossed - 2 - LRB096 20248 RLC 35831 b



1 sale by the United States Food and Drug Administration for
2 tobacco use cessation, harm reduction, or for other medical
3 purposes, and is being marketed and sold solely for that
4 approved purpose.

[Vocalek]

That's what they want you to believe. Look carefully at the wording. Neither a-5 nor a-6 specify the age of the recipient of the product. In a-5, "another person" is the wording. In a-6, the wording is "consumers" -- NOT "minors".

We need to write to urge them to substitute "minors" for "consumers" in a-6 to clarify the legislation.

Since we are not concerned about "bidis" let's not complicate the issue by even mentioning them.

[ChipCurtis]

Vocalek is right. They are front-loading the bill with big bold letters that hit upon the "protect the children" theme, so that most people who stop reading the bill after that header won't notice in the fine print below, it really means "all people". The wording about "kids" was completely unnecessary as it is already contained within the larger scope of the bill.

They have pulled off a simple legal trick which subsumes the smaller context "kids" into the larger context "all people" without you noticing (unless you read the whole thing carefully).

[Vocalek]

The synopsis on this page tells the story: Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for SB3174

Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Tobacco Accessories and Smoking Herbs Control Act. Provides that a product containing or delivering nicotine intended or expected for human consumption, or any part of such a product, that is not a tobacco product shall not be distributed or sold in the State or to consumers in the State unless it has been approved or otherwise certified for legal sale by the United States Food and Drug Administration as a tobacco use cessation, harm reduction, or modified-risk product, or for other medical purposes, and is being marketed and sold solely for that approved purpose. Establishes penalties for violations.

[Vocalek]

In Illinois, in the House, the bill has been referred to the Rules Committee. Members are:
RoleRepresentativePartyChairperson :Barbara Flynn Currie
Springfield Office:300 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8121(217) 524-1794 FAXDistrict Office:1303 E. 53rd StreetChicago, IL 60615 (773) 667-0550(773) 667-3010 FAXCook County
Republican Spokesperson :William B. Black
Springfield Office:314 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-4811(217) 782-1873 FAXDistrict Office:7 E. FairchildDanville, IL 61832 (217) 431-1986(217) 431-2088 FAXVermilion CountyEmail: wbblack@sbcglobal.net

RMember:Lou Lang
Springfield Office:109 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-1252(217) 782-9903 FAXDistrict Office:4121 Main StreetSkokie, IL 60076 (847) 673-1131(847) 982-0393 FAXCook CountyEmail: langli@ilga.gov

DMember:Timothy L. Schmitz
Springfield Office:224-N Stratton Office BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-5457(217) 782-1138 FAXDistrict Office:127 Hamilton StreetSuite DGeneva, IL 60134 (630) 845-9590(630) 845-9592 FAXKane CountyEmail: info@timschmitz.org

RMember:Arthur L. Turner
Springfield Office:300 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8116(217) 782-0888 FAXDistrict Office:3849 W. Ogden AvenueChicago, IL 60623 (773) 277-4700(773) 277-4703 FAXCook County


If anyone has the email addresses for Barbara Flynn Currie and/or Arthur Turner, please post.


Talking Points:

I am contacting you about Illinois SB3174. I urge you to amend this bill so that the prohibition of the sale of products containing nicotine applies only to minors. Nationwide, the number of adult smokers that have been able to substitute what is commonly called an electronic cigarette (or e-cigarette) for all of their tobacco cigarettes is approaching a million.

<Insert your personal story here - Talk about how long you smoked tobacco cigarettes, how much you smoked, how it affected your health. Talk about the effect that switching to inhaling vaporized nicotine has had on the number of cigarettes you now smoke and the positive effects you have seen on your health.>

The University of Alberta conducted a survey of e-cigarette users. All respondents previously smoked. Over 87% of users are older than 31 years, with 32% more than 50 years old. Most -- 79% -- are using e-cigarettes as a complete replacement for their tobacco cigarettes.

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/wpapers/011v1.pdf

I urge you not to remove this remarkably successful tool from the arsenal of the ways we have to reduce the harmful effects of tobacco cigarette smoking.

Sincerely,

[Vocalek]

Senate Members

Illinois General Assembly

Pamela J. Althoff - District 32M103C Capitol BuildingOne North Virginia StreetSpringfield, IL 62706 Crystal Lake, IL 60014 (217) 782-8000(815) 455-6330(217) 782-9586 (FAX)(815) 455-8284 (FAX)
Tim Bivins - District 45M103B Capitol Building629 N. GalenaSpringfield, IL 62706 Dixon, IL 61021 (217) 782-0180(815) 284-0045(217) 782-9586 (FAX)(815) 284-0207 (FAX)
Larry K. Bomke - District 50307 Capitol Building307 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706 Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-0228(217) 782-0228(217) 782-5406 (FAX)
Michael Bond - District 31M121 Capitol Building1156 E. Washington StreetSpringfield, IL 62706 Grayslake, IL 60030 (217) 782-7353(847) 752-7004(866) 512-4931 (FAX)
Bill Brady - District 44105A Capitol Building2203 Eastland DriveSuite 3Springfield, IL 62706 Bloomington, IL 61704 (217) 782-6216(309) 664-4440(309) 664-8597 (FAX)
J. Bradley Burzynski - District 35309F Capitol Building1101 DeKalb AvenueSpringfield, IL 62706 Sycamore, IL 60178 (217) 782-1977(815) 895-6318(217) 782-4885 (FAX)(815) 895-2905 (FAX)
James F. Clayborne, Jr. - District 57329 Capitol BuildingKenneth Hall Regional Office Bldg.10 Collinsville Ave.Springfield, IL 62706 East St. Louis, IL 62201 (217) 782-5399(618) 875-1212(618) 274-3010 (FAX)
Jacqueline Y. Collins - District 16M114 Capitol Building1155 West 79th StreetSpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60620 (217) 782-1607(773) 224-2830(773) 224-2855 (FAX)
Dan Cronin - District 21309G Capitol Building313 South Main St.Springfield, IL 62706 Lombard, IL 60148 (217) 782-8107(630) 792-0040(630) 792-8620 (FAX)
M. Maggie Crotty - District 19122 Capitol Building5119 West 159th Street1st Floor EastSpringfield, IL 62706 Oak Forest, IL 60452 (217) 782-9595(708) 687-9696(708) 687-9801 (FAX)
John J. Cullerton - District 6327 Capitol Building1051 West BelmontSpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60657 (217) 782-2728(773) 883-0770(773) 296-0993 (FAX)
Gary G. Dahl - District 38103D Capitol Building103 Fifth StreetP.O. Box 260Springfield, IL 62706 Peru, IL 61354 (217) 782-3840(815) 220-8720(815) 220-8721 (FAX)
James A. DeLeo - District 10323 Capitol Building6839 W. Belmont AvenueSpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60634 (217) 782-1035(773) 237-2525(773) 237-7171 (FAX)
William Delgado - District 2119B State House4150 W. ArmitageSpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60639 (217) 782-5652(773) 292-0202(217) 557-3930 (FAX)(773) 292-1903 (FAX)
Deanna Demuzio - District 49M106 Capitol Building140 Carlinville PlazaSpringfield, IL 62706 Carlinville, IL 62626 (217) 782-8206(217) 854-4441(217) 854-5311 (FAX)
Kirk W. Dillard - District 24103C Capitol BuildingOne South Cass AvenueSuite 201Springfield, IL 62706 Westmont, IL 60559 (217) 782-8148(630) 969-0990(630) 969-1007 (FAX)
Dan Duffy - District 26105D Capitol Building330 E. Main StreetSuite 301Springfield, IL 62706 Barrington, IL 60010 (217) 782-8010(847) 277-7100(847) 277-7101 (FAX)
Gary Forby - District 59417 Capitol Building903 W. WashingtonSuite 5Springfield, IL 62706 Benton, IL 62812 (217) 782-5509(618) 439-2504(618) 438-3704 (FAX)
Michael W. Frerichs - District 52118 State House45 E. University Ave.Suite 206Springfield, IL 62706 Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 782-2507(217) 355-5252(217) 355-5255 (FAX)
Susan Garrett - District 29129 Capitol Building425 Sheridan RoadSpringfield, IL 62706 Highwood, IL 60040 (217) 782-3650(847) 433-2002(847) 433-8002 (FAX)
William R. Haine - District 56121C Capitol Building307 Henry StreetSuite 210Springfield, IL 62706 Alton, IL 62002 (217) 782-5247(618) 465-4764(217) 782-5340 (FAX)(618) 465-4816 (FAX)
Don Harmon - District 39329 Capitol Building6933 W. North AvenueSpringfield, IL 62706 Oak Park, IL 60302 (217) 782-8176(708) 848-2002(708) 848-2022 (FAX)
Rickey R. Hendon - District 5627 Capitol Building2928 West MadisonSpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60612 (217) 782-6252(773) 265-8611(773) 265-8617 (FAX)
Linda Holmes - District 42M122 Capitol Building13242 S. Rt. 59# 2B-1Springfield, IL 62706 Plainfield, IL 60544 (217) 782-0422(815) 609-3711(217) 782-2115 (FAX)(815) 609-0071 (FAX)
Randall M. Hultgren - District 48M103A Capitol Building1725 S. NapervilleSuite 200Springfield, IL 62706 Wheaton, IL 60189 (217) 782-8022(630) 682-8100(217) 782-9586 (FAX)(630) 682-8108 (FAX)
Mattie Hunter - District 3619 Capitol Building2929 S. Wabash AvenueSuite 102Springfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60616 (217) 782-5966(312) 949-1908(312) 949-1958 (FAX)
Toi W. Hutchinson - District 40M108 Capitol Building241 W. Joe Orr RdSpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago Heights, IL 60411 (217) 782-7419(708) 756-0882(708) 756-0885 (FAX)
Mike Jacobs - District 36127 Capitol Building606 19th StreetSpringfield, IL 62706 Moline, IL 61265 (217) 782-5957(309) 797-0001(309) 797-0003 (FAX)
Emil Jones, III - District 14113 Capitol Building507 West 111th St.Springfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60628 (217) 782-9573(773) 995-7748(773) 995-9061 (FAX)
John O. Jones - District 54309H Capitol Building2929 BroadwaySuite 5Springfield, IL 62706 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 (217) 782-0471(618) 242-9511(217) 782-4885 (FAX)(618) 242-9516 (FAX)
David Koehler - District 46311B Capitol Building13 S. Capitol StreetSpringfield, IL 62706 Pekin, IL 61554 (217) 782-8250(309) 346-4646(217) 782-3213 (FAX)(309) 346-4650 (FAX)
Dan Kotowski - District 33M118 Capitol Building1300 West Higgins RoadSuite 210Springfield, IL 62706 Park Ridge, IL 60068 (217) 782-3875(847) 797-1192(847) 384-0538 (FAX)
Chris Lauzen - District 25103A Capitol Building52 West Downer PlaceSuite 201Springfield, IL 62706 Aurora, IL 60506 (217) 782-0052(630) 264-2334(630) 264-1566 (FAX)
Kimberly A. Lightford - District 4323 Capitol Building10001 West Roosevelt RoadSuite 202Springfield, IL 62706 Westchester, IL 60154 (217) 782-8505(708) 343-7444(708) 343-7400 (FAX)
Terry Link - District 30321 Capitol Building906 Muir AvenueSpringfield, IL 62706 Lake Bluff, IL 60044 (217) 782-8181(847) 735-8181(847) 735-8184 (FAX)
David Luechtefeld - District 58103B Capitol Building700 North Front StreetP.O. Box 517Springfield, IL 62706 Okawville, IL 62271 (217) 782-8137(618) 243-9014(618) 243-5376 (FAX)
Edward D. Maloney - District 18119A Capitol Building10400 S. Western Ave.Springfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60643 (217) 782-5145(773) 881-4180(217) 557-3930 (FAX)(773) 881-4243 (FAX)
Iris Y. Martinez - District 20413A Capitol Building2845 N. Kedzie AvenueSpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60618 (217) 782-8191(773) 463-0720(773) 463-0795 (FAX)
Kyle McCarter - District 51105B Capitol Building101 South Main StreetSpringfield, IL 62706 Decatur, IL 62523 (217) 782-5755(217) 428-4068(217) 782-0116 (FAX)(217) 428-4089 (FAX)
James T. Meeks - District 15M113 Capitol Building2050 E. 159th StreetSpringfield, IL 62706 Calumet City, IL 60409 (217) 782-8066(708) 862-1515(708) 862-4745 (FAX)
John J. Millner - District 28105C Capitol Building290 Springfield Drive,Suite 225Springfield, IL 62706 Bloomingdale, IL 60108 (217) 782-8192(630) 351-9340(217) 782-0116 (FAX)(630) 351-9370 (FAX)
Antonio Mu&#241;oz - District 1123 Capitol Building1836 West 35th St. 1st FloorSpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60609 (217) 782-9415(773) 869-9050(773) 869-9046 (FAX)
Matt Murphy - District 27M103E Capitol BuildingPalatine Centre Atrium Offices17 E. Northwest Hwy. - Suite 4Springfield, IL 62706 Palatine, IL 60067 (217) 782-4471(847) 776-1490(847) 776-1494 (FAX)
Michael Noland - District 22M115 Capitol BuildingTower Building100 E. Chicago Street, Suite 302Springfield, IL 62706 Elgin, IL 60120 (217) 782-7746(847) 214-8864(217) 782-2115 (FAX)(847) 214-8867 (FAX)
Carole Pankau - District 23105K Capitol Building1Tiffany PointeSuite GSpringfield, IL 62706 Bloomingdale, IL 60108 (217) 782-9463(630) 582-0390(217) 557-3908 (FAX)(630) 582-0391 (FAX)
Christine Radogno - District 41309A Capitol Building1011 State StreetSuite 210Springfield, IL 62706 Lemont, IL 60439 (217) 782-9407(630) 243-0800(630) 243-0808 (FAX)
Kwame Raoul - District 13111 Capitol Building1509 E. 53rd Street2nd FloorSpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60615 (217) 782-5338(773) 363-1996(773) 681-7166 (FAX)
Dale A. Righter - District 55309D Capitol Building88 Broadway AvenueSuite 1Springfield, IL 62706 Mattoon, IL 61938 (217) 782-6674(217) 235-6033(217) 235-6052 (FAX)
Dale E. Risinger - District 37M103F Capitol Building5415 N. UniversitySuite 105Springfield, IL 62706 Peoria, IL 61614 (217) 782-1942(309) 693-4921(309) 693-4923 (FAX)
Dan Rutherford - District 53309C Capitol Building320 N. Plum StreetSpringfield, IL 62706 Pontiac, IL 61764 (217) 782-6597(815) 842-3632(217) 782-7818 (FAX)(815) 842-2875 (FAX)
Martin A. Sandoval - District 12124 Capitol Building5807 W. 35th StreetSpringfield, IL 62706 Cicero, IL 60804 (217) 782-5304(708) 656-2002(708) 656-7608 (FAX)
Jeffrey M. Schoenberg - District 9218 Capitol Building820 Davis StreetSuite 102Springfield, IL 62706 Evanston, IL 60201 (217) 782-2119(847) 492-1200(847) 492-1202 (FAX)
Ira I. Silverstein - District 8121B Capitol Building2951 West DevonSpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60659 (217) 782-5500(773) 743-5015(217) 782-5340 (FAX)(773) 743-4750 (FAX)
Heather Steans - District 7M120 Capitol Building5533 North BroadwaySpringfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60640 (217) 782-8492(773) 769-1717(773) 769-6901 (FAX)
John M. Sullivan - District 47417 Capitol Building926 BroadwaySuite 6Springfield, IL 62706 Quincy, IL 62301 (217) 782-2479(217) 222-2295(217) 222-2944 (FAX)
Dave Syverson - District 34M103D Capitol Building200 South Wyman StreetSuite 302Springfield, IL 62706 Rockford, IL 61101 (217) 782-5413(815) 987-7555(815) 987-7563 (FAX)
Donne E. Trotter - District 17629 Capitol Building8704 South Constance Ave.Suite 324Springfield, IL 62706 Chicago, IL 60617 (217) 782-3201(773) 933-7715(773) 933-5498 (FAX)
Louis S. Viverito - District 11121A Capitol Building6215 W. 79th StreetSuite 1ASpringfield, IL 62706 Burbank, IL 60459 (217) 782-0054(708) 430-2510(708) 430-2610 (FAX)
A. J. Wilhelmi - District 43311A Capitol Building2200 Weber RoadSpringfield, IL 62706 Crest Hill, IL 60403 (217) 782-8800(815) 207-4445(815) 207-4446 (FAX)


Votes:

Senate Bill No. 3174
THIRD READING
Mar 10, 2010
49 YEAS 4 NAYS 0 PRESENT
Y Althoff Y Delgado Y Hunter Y Martinez NV Rutherford
N Bivins Y Demuzio Y Hutchinson NV McCarter Y Sandoval
Y Bomke N Dillard Y Jacobs Y Meeks Y Schoenberg
Y Bond Y Duffy Y Jones, E. NV Millner Y Silverstein
Y Brady Y Forby Y Jones, J. Y Mu&#241;oz Y Steans
N Burzynski Y Frerichs Y Koehler Y Murphy Y Sullivan
Y Clayborne Y Garrett Y Kotowski Y Noland N Syverson
Y Collins Y Haine Y Lauzen Y Pankau Y Trotter
Y Cronin Y Harmon Y Lightford Y Radogno Y Viverito
Y Crotty Y Hendon Y Link NV Raoul Y Wilhelmi
Y Dahl Y Holmes Y Luechtefeld NV Righter Y Mr. President

NV DeLeo Y Hultgren Y Maloney Y Risinger

[Vocalek]

See this post if you do NOT live in New York
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/77088-ny-state-bill-banning-ecigs.html#post1165143

If you do live in New York, make two phone calls -- one to your state Senator and the other to your Assembly representative.

The links to find yours can be found in this post (See Response #7):

NY state bill banning ecigs

[rtbob]

Please provide input, modify this in any way you want. Add some more here to's and there fors legal it up a bit.

The idea is to have something we can send to our state's legislature that looks like an actual bill ready to go before the house or where ever it goes before first.

Where I have typed federal just replace it with the name of your state.

I hope you all realize we are not going to be able to continue to use our liquid nicotine with out some kind of tax. The stamp system is the easiest and fastest way to get this going I think.

Some kind of regulation and saftey control has to be implemented to protect us from inhaling toxic substances into our lungs. I'm not sure but I don't think it would take very much lead inhaled to mess you up for good.

I for one am also tired of the junk made in China. There is a huge oppurtunity for the creation of brand new jobs here in the USA. Manufacturing of a quality, dependable product that is only possible with American skill and know how.

Sure it is going to cost more. Let us not forget that the cost per day at the ICU of your local hospital is currently around $7000.00 per day. Don't forget to figure this cost into your savings calculator.



Liquid nicotine requires the following controls:

No sales to persons under the age of 18.

Child proof containers should be the standard. If this provides difficulty for some people, as does medication containers, a normal bottle can be requested by the consumer.

Each bottle shall be properly labeled as to the contents of such bottle.

Periodic inspections of liquid to verify contents and strength of nicotine

The following is an outline of an exceptable bill IMO. Please offer suggestions to this.

FOR THE CONSUMER OF LIQUID NICOTINE

A stamp will be purchased annually from the federal goverment by the consumers of liquid nicotine to off-set the cost of the e liquid inspections. The cost of the stamp is yet to be determined.

No person shall use, or be in possesion of liquid nicotine containing substances with out having said stamp in their possesion.

Use of liquid nicotine with out the stamp shall be considered a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of at least ten times the cost of the annual stamp.

Recurrent offenses shall be fined accordingly. Second offense 15 times 3rd offense 20 times.

Multiple offenders with greater than 3 offenses shall be charged with a class C felony and be incarcerated for a period not to exceed ten years with a minimum of two years served. They will also have their privelage to purchase a nicotine stamp pemanently revoked.

FOR THE DISTRIBUTORS OF LIQUID NICOTINE

A license will be issued bi-annually to distributors of liquid nicotine. Liquid nicotine distributors shall be subject to unannounced inspections of their liquid nicotine product with a minimum of one inspection occuring annually.

Any person or persons selling liquid nicotine with out the proper federally issued license shall be charged with a class C felony and subject to 10 years incarceration and a $50,000 fine. Their privelage to have a license to distribute liquid nicotine shall be permanently revoked.

Any person or persons selling liquid nicotine to a minor will have their license revoked immediately and be ineligable to re-apply for a period not to exceed five years. Fines and legal charges to be determined at a later date.

Any person or persons selling selling liquid nicotine to another person or persons and not requiring proof of a federally issued liquid nicotine stamp will have their license revoked immediatley and be ineligable to re-apply for a license for a period not to exceed five years. Fines and legal charges to be determined at a later date.

If a distributor of liquid nicotine fails an annual inspection they will be given one week to correct the violation(s). After such a period of time has elapsed if the distributor continues to be in violation, the distributor shall have his license revoked for a period not to exceed two years.

Something like this I could live with.