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    I intend to send this letter to President Obama, it is typed out and ready to submit.
    Does anyone have anything to add real quick ?
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    Greetings !
    President Obama, I write today to plead for your help.
    I have been addicted to cigarettes for many years. I am 51, started smoking when I was 17. I've quit a few times, but it doesn't last long. Lately I've been coughing a lot, and I feel congested. And still it is so very hard to stop smoking.
    Recently I heard about Electronic "Cigarettes".
    They are a device that vaporizes nicotine ( the addictive part of smoking ), for one to inhale, yet they don't have the Tar and Tobacco of a cigarette, nor do they have the the smoke and odor.
    They may save my life. Since I began using e-cigs 2 weeks ago, my lungs have begun clearing up, I cough Much less, and I have more energy.
    The device is a battery, which is attached to a vaporizer, which is attached to a cartridge containing
    water
    nicotine
    glycerine BP/USP/food grade
    propylene glycol BP/USP/food grade, which is found in food colorings and other foods. It is also found in regular cigarettes.
    Another ingredient is a flavor of your choice. ( I like Cola and Vanilla )
    You can read all about e-cigarettes here
    http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum.html

    There you will read stories of how people are now free from tobacco cigarettes. They can breathe and smell again.
    That is what I want as well.

    But I read today that the FDA is saying that e-cigs are illegal !!
    And that they will be 'cracking down' on them.
    Story link here
    E-cigarette sparks attention as FDA crackdown looms - Santa Cruz Sentinel

    Why ?
    What is illegal about them ?
    the Water ?
    the nicotine ? ( I understand that nicotine is regulated, but not obviously illegal ).
    The PG can't be illegal, it is in our foods and food colorings. And in regular cigarettes too !

    Are the Big Tobacco companies calling in a favor from the FDA as they see thousands of us stop buying their cigarettes in favor of these new electronic cigarettes ?

    Heck, e-cigs were mentioned in a segment of the TV show
    "The Doctors" back around January 7th, 2009, who gave it a thumbs up !

    Why is it that when I, and thousands like me, finally find something that is actually getting me OFF of cigarettes, the FDA says it's illegal ?!
    I don't see anything illegal in the ingredients.
    And I certainly see nothing wrong with being able to finally Quit Smoking !

    When you read the e-cig forums, you can find a lot of talk about whether this new e-cig method of having ones nicotine BUT without the tobacco and tar and 2,000 other ingredients inside of a regular cigarette will be good for us in the long run.
    Maybe, Maybe not. Most everything seems to cause cancer. Sugar, Coffee, Soda, tar and tobacco, to name but a few.

    But I beg you to please stop the FDA from outright banning e-cigs, and to give e-cigs a fair chance for those of us that would rather take our chances on electronic cigarettes than to continue smoking the analog cigarettes anymore.
    I want to keep breathing clearly.
    Please.

    [/ end of letter ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by TropicalBob View Post
    To whom it may concern:

    When considering the electronic cigarette, please consider these facts:

    1. The e-cig, as it's popularly known, was invented in China in 2004 and has been marketed since that time. In the past year, hundreds of thousands of smokers around the world have purchased and used e-cigs, to either quit an addictive cigarette habit or use an e-device in place of cigarettes.

    2. Not one headline-making health event has been reported about e-smokers. With all the present users, if e-cigs presented any imminent danger, that danger should have surfaced by now. None has.

    3. The device is simple and not prone to dangerous malfunction. It is far safer than even fire-safe cigarettes.

    4. The liquid is a mix, often containing nicotine, along with propylene glycol to produce vapor and carry the nicotine content. Propylene glycol was tested more than half-century ago for inhalation by mice, primates and humans. No harmful effects were found in studies. Indeed, propylene glycol was a "germ-killing vapor" that protected those inhaling it from deadly diseases.

    5. Nicotine, in the amounts used for e-smoking, has a physiological effect similar to that of consuming a moderate amount of caffeine. It is a stimulant/relaxant. It has both known benefits and hazards. The amount of nicotine consumed while e-smoking is far less than that consumed by smoking a tobacco cigarette, however. E-smoking is thus less unhealthy if direct comparisons are made to cigarettes.

    6. The e-cig came to market without regulation on the assumption by manufacturers that it was a safe product not needing regulation. Nothing since 2004 has proven that assumption erroneous. Real-world use of e-cigs, in fact, supports the accuracy of that assumption. These are both safe and effective, as proven by the hundreds of thousands of present users.

    Considering these facts and the almost certain fact that e-smoking is safer than tobacco use, the devices and liquids should remain available for those seeking an alternative to tobacco cigarettes, while further study on the need for regulation is undertaken.

    Sincerely ....

    Now, a form letter won't do much of anything, so anyone desiring to be heard on e-smoking needs to make relevant points in their own letter. No finger-pointing of conspiracy (that FDA Nazi pix will sure win 'em over!!!). Be rational, recognize their right and mission to oversee this country's drug market, and hope the present situation will be allowed as more studies are undertaken.

    That's what I'd say.
    Thank You, Bob. I have more of a sense that there is hope for the future when you talk like that. I'm not ignoring the facts of the matter, I just want to find ways to keep my device instead of just accepting that there is nothing that we can do. By the way, do you feel that there is any hope for us, or do you feel that we are screwed with no hope at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TropicalBob View Post
    (that FDA Nazi pix will sure win 'em over!!!).

    I wouldn't add my sig to the letter but you definitely have more faith in the integrity of our government than I.
    California, Legalize Weed and ban the Happy Meal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deewal View Post
    Stop flaming people. If you don't want to face reality that's your concern.
    Now go get your Banner and stand outside The White House. I'm sure everybody's faith in Saint Obama will be justified.
    Where in the hell did you get the idea that I was flaming anyone?!?! I am just sick of people talking down to other people on this thread. If you have an issue with me personally, you can always send me a PM, and we can work it out. The only flames I can see are originating from you.

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    That poster's letter was quite passionate in a personal way, but get rid of this or your letter will be thrown aside in disgust:

    Are the Big Tobacco companies calling in a favor from the FDA as they see thousands of us stop buying their cigarettes in favor of these new electronic cigarettes ?
    A plea to let e-cigs remain on the market is not the place to accuse a federal agency of being on the take. BTW: The FDA doesn't regulate tobacco; there are no favors to call in.

    Thanks, Tribble. I do think there is hope and an argument for continued use. I just don't think threats, etc., will get us anywhere. We need to stall. What I wrote is the argument for stalling while we learn more.
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    Hey guys.. I don't mean to change the topic.. but for anyone who does video reviews... Dusty is going a documentary that will express a lot of the feelings we all have... so please if you do video reviews or can... go submit him something! Get the word out so we can share with the world and aquire greater numbers!

    http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...g-documentary/

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    Quote Originally Posted by TropicalBob View Post
    To whom it may concern:
    When considering the electronic cigarette, please consider these facts:
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    Sincerely ....
    Sorry Bob, while I agree 100% with all of your points in that letter, that's not what's going to get their attention. I get the feeling you watch just as many subcommittee hearings as I do.

    They want a "face" for this all. Give them one, guys.

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    From AHA Website:

    In 1996 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) asserted jurisdiction over tobacco products under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. These regulations were designed to regulate tobacco advertising and promotional campaigns as well as labeling and purchasing restrictions. The tobacco industry sued the federal government, arguing that the FDA lacked legal authority to regulate tobacco products. The United States Supreme Court ruled in June 2000 that Congress had not expressly given the FDA legal authority to regulate the tobacco industry, and that the Congress must specifically enact legislation to allow the FDA to regulate tobacco. As a result, all FDA tobacco regulations were dropped, including the federal minimum age requirement for tobacco products (18 years old), as well as federal rules requiring retailers to check photo identification.

    If the FDA does not have legal authority to regulate tobacco, does it have authority to regulate tobacco extract? My guess would be no.

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    hi guys/gals
    i'm new to the forum - just wanted to make a few comments:

    1. If FDA starts regulating e-smoking it MUST have some data to base the regulation on... this means research data to either prove that is is relatively harmless OR that it is a health hazard/poison; in the latter case the staff SHOULD be banned for good.

    2. if it is proven harmless, then a big US tobacco companie(s) will quickly jump on it and take the market niche and we will have a regulated product with known/approved ingredients, much more consistent quality and available at cigarette stands at every gas station and mall (unlike current situation with the "stuff" mixed in some basement with ingredients from who knows where, no reputable quality control and sold through internet).

    3. if the mainstream tobacco industry takes it over it is a tremendous opportunity for them and consumers will have a much better product overall. the product SEEMS to be a great alternative to "real" smoking and it would be a shame if it stays unregulated, half-legal and sold only through MLM companies and amateur websites - it gives it a bad publicity...

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    That is what my post title should have been. Sorry got it wrong and come off sounding like the opposition. I have put far worse things in my body so PG and VG don't scare me yet. No sane person can argue govt. interest in this when all other nicotine products are regulated or taxed in some form. This will not be any different. Let us enjoy the free ride while we can. I am glad the cardboard story turned out false but with Chinas media track record I'll take that with a grain of salt. Starving Hatians eat cookies made out of dirt and shortening or was that false too?

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