Fda crackdown looms

[Liberate_Yourself]

I accept your apology, and I hold no ill will toward you. I am sorry if I came across the wrong way as well. I never want to make enemies, only friends!

The way I see it, whether it's Quasi-Legal or Legal, the key word is Legal. "Water Pipes" are not illegal in any state in the union because of the way they are marketed by the people who make them and sell them. The only one's who have ever been hassled or shutdown are the one's that strayed from the proven marketing approach that all of the other's who are still in business are using. You may cringe at the subject matter, but the data speaks for itself. There are thousands of "Water Pipe" shops all across the US. There could also be thousands of "Personal Vaporizer" shops as well if the proven "Water Pipe" marketing approach is used. Just my "Un-Educated" opinion!

Yes, but the substance that is used with them is illegal. I never want to see a day that eCigs/portable vaporizers/etc fall into the same class.

I think it is ridiculous that there is so much controversy about these devices among the powers that be.. however they do have a point. I am sure that they see the increasing popularity of the devices, and that means that more Americans are going to be using them. This in turn means that if there is something potentially dangerous about them, a large group of people will be affected.. and it is their responsibility to prevent said situation. What we need to do is legitimate clinical testing. Prove that the vapor produced by these devices is harmless, and theoretically, it is smooth sailing ahead.

Anyone want to donate some funds to the cause? If there are 3,000 registered members on the forum, if each member donated $100 to the cause instead of to a new gadget, we could raise $300,000. Combine that with donations by non-forum members and profit sharing efforts by the suppliers, and we have a nice chunk of change to begin testing. There has already been some talk among suppliers to do this, so it is just a matter of time. Start savin your pesos buds.. the future of vaping depends on it.

Honestly, the question that dances around my head is this: These are growing in popularity by the day.. why hasn't Big Tobacco tried putting their hand in the cookie jar? They have the money for testing, and I am sure that by now, they have seen the potential. Hmmm..

[Spikey]

Yes, but the substance that is used with them is illegal. I never want to see a day that eCigs/portable vaporizers/etc fall into the same class.

I think it is ridiculous that there is so much controversy about these devices among the powers that be.. however they do have a point. I am sure that they see the increasing popularity of the devices, and that means that more Americans are going to be using them. This in turn means that if there is something potentially dangerous about them, a large group of people will be affected.. and it is their responsibility to prevent said situation. What we need to do is legitimate clinical testing. Prove that the vapor produced by these devices is harmless, and theoretically, it is smooth sailing ahead.

Anyone want to donate some funds to the cause? If there are 3,000 registered members on the forum, if each member donated $100 to the cause instead of to a new gadget, we could raise $300,000. Combine that with donations by non-forum members and profit sharing efforts by the suppliers, and we have a nice chunk of change to begin testing. There has already been some talk among suppliers to do this, so it is just a matter of time. Start savin your pesos buds.. the future of vaping depends on it.

Honestly, the question that dances around my head is this: These are growing in popularity by the day.. why hasn't Big Tobacco tried putting their hand in the cookie jar? They have the money for testing, and I am sure that by now, they have seen the potential. Hmmm..

Hey Greg! I have no doubt that they have already started working on this (I don't "know" anything as a fact... but I can't see they would pass up this opportunity... they are likely hiring mechanics and scientists as we type lol!).

Of course the contibution funds for testing are all good and well... but even if we could raise a million... their tests would be done before we had enough funding to start ours... so maybe we need to contact the tobacco companies and present them with a proposition? You help us by doing a multi million dollar study if we provide the participants... and we will help you make craploads of $

[Walrus]

you know... this is exactly why i'm libertarian

How's that working out? I always thought it would be a boring job. You know... learning the Dewey Decimal system and all that. Wait... I thought you said "Librarian". Never mind

[wv2win]

wv2win:

It isn't that you should deny the use of nicotine, but you should avoid labeling its use in the context of a 'treatment' or 'therapy' (like NRT). First of all its just not true... do vapers intend to quit vaping? Probably not. All approved NRT is intended to be weened off. But second of all, serious studies need to be used if this is going to labeled any sort of medical device or treatment for nicotine withdrawal.

It is a tobacco product that you use at your leisure. Not for health purposes! Don't make health claims, that is the point. That invites the FDA.

I'm not saying it should be "labeled" an NRT. I'm saying many use it for that purpose and we should not deny that fact in any discussion about this product or we will appear disingenuous at best. Are all products with nicotine, other than cigarettes, an NRT? And should they be labeled NRT's? Is a product an NRT based on ingredients or based on purpose? IF someone chews nicotine gum because they like the taste instead of for the purpose of avoiding tobacco does that mean it is not an NRT?

[Liberate_Yourself]

Hey Greg! I have no doubt that they have already started working on this (I don't "know" anything as a fact... but I can't see they would pass up this opportunity... they are likely hiring mechanics and scientists as we type lol!).

Of course the contibution funds for testing are all good and well... but even if we could raise a million... their tests would be done before we had enough funding to start ours... so maybe we need to contact the tobacco companies and present them with a proposition? You help us by doing a multi million dollar study if we provide the participants... and we will help you make craploads of $

Trust me, they were already on my list of people to call.

[GrimmGreen]

How's that working out? I always thought it would be a boring job. You know... learning the Dewey Decimal system and all that. Wait... I thought you said "Librarian". Never mind

i'm actually a libertarian librarian ... so go figure

[TribbleTrouble]

Yes, but the substance that is used with them is illegal. I never want to see a day that eCigs/portable vaporizers/etc fall into the same class.

Listen, I wish it wouldn't be that way either. In the end, all I care about is being able to "legally" buy the devices. As it stands now, that future seems to be in doubt.

[Liberate_Yourself]

Listen, I wish it wouldn't be that way either. In the end, all I care about is being able to "legally" buy the devices. As it stands now, that future seems to be in doubt.

Even if that means not legally being able to buy or use the juice?

We are not talking about drug paraphernalia here.. let's not start making it look as such. We are talking about a device that vaporizes nicotine, good 'ol h20, an organic compound (PG, which is FDA GRAS), and flavorings. The only substance that requires any attention is the Nicotine.. which is freely, readily, and legally available in not only cigarettes, but in many vegetables as well.

[Faethe]

Class action? The precedent being the recent successful suits against the tobacco companies?

Not gonna work but a nice statement. I would sign my name on that.

OK, I'm done ranting now. Someone else talk for awhile

P.S. Anyone know of a US supplier that sells smoking liquid by the liter?

Ok.

Step 1: People pissed off at Cigarette Taxes

Step 2: People quit smoking and find an alternative

Step 3: Government eliminates access to it. Insists you go back to cigarettes or alternatives that cost rough 4x more and are inefficient, and manufactured by Big Pharma

The above does not necessarily have to coincide with reality. All you have to do is get people to start repeating it. Take out the stigma of smoking, insert the stigma of 'socialism' or whatever you want.

Need to contact lolyer

Need to contact PR firm or engage in PR campaign.

Ta Daaaa!

[Faethe]

Hey Greg! I have no doubt that they have already started working on this (I don't "know" anything as a fact... but I can't see they would pass up this opportunity... they are likely hiring mechanics and scientists as we type lol!).

Of course the contibution funds for testing are all good and well... but even if we could raise a million... their tests would be done before we had enough funding to start ours... so maybe we need to contact the tobacco companies and present them with a proposition? You help us by doing a multi million dollar study if we provide the participants... and we will help you make craploads of $

I'm pretty sure they would tell you to stuff it then attempt to steal the patent. At any rate, I can't see Big Tobacco doing anything but lol ing around in a big pile of lol at the prospect of Chinese anything gaining acceptance in this country.