Fda crackdown looms

[strayling]

OK. Which one of you is DiCaprio?

You'd never see me riding a ladies bike.

[Guardston]

If Liquid nic gets banned I can picture the this........
You walk slowly but purposefully down a dim lite alley and meet with a shady looking character beside a foul smelling dumpster and you say " I'm looking for 50ml of some 36mg, you holdin'?" and he replies "yeah man, I got what you need, uncut straight from China, this s**t is Da bomb! It'll cost ya' a C note" there is a slight of hand exchange and you both fade into the darkness.

It could happen. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we could be turned into some kind of criminals for doing what is basically just "smoking a cigarette".

The sad part is that this will be the truth of the matter.

[Guardston]

DB--this link might help you

As to OSHA See

Also See FDA Takes Action Against KV Pharmaceutical Company
Also of interest is a Transcript of this press release about New Initiative to Bolster Generic drugs in PDF Form See These articles show some of the inner workings of the FDA that are useful to us to see how the FDA, in part manuvers---Sun

The truly sickening part of all of this is that the e-cig as a device (in all of its incarnations) truly isn't the object of their ire - it's the e-liquid. IF they wish to regulate e-liquid manufactured outside the US then that's their perogative. The device itself is no different than a hookah or cigarette filter. IMO it's like fireworks - it's not illegal to purchase them, just to blow them off in your backyard.

The next thing they should ban are shotglasses since people may be doing shots of Jamaican made rum for medicinal purposes without FDA approval.

Idiots. The whole lot of them. If Big Tobacco wants a cut, they should have patented them in the US and monopolized the sale of them.

I apologize for "editing" your post - I'm a n00b and can't post URLs as of yet.

[angel123]

Well I am starting to horde now!!! I have tried to get off of analogs using every method out there with no success until now!!!! This whole thing p's me off to no end!!!! Gotta get off of here my blood pressure is about to boil!!!!

[angel123]

Oh yeah I forgot to ask....What is the shelf life of CaSH eliquid? Get stocked up Steve..I will be back from Vegas on the 21st and I have a big order for you!!!!

[iam0z]

I think it all goes back to the old thinking that the government would get smokers to foot the bill for their greater need for more costly health care and government monies that is drawn on to support these activities, because I remember the first federal tax increase on tobacco and that was the reason they gave for raising those taxes (more Clinton era BS). So, if we all go this route we avoid paying those taxes and side step the issue, meanwhile the government misses out on untold amounts of revenues because we are not buying tobacco products. So, here we are either faced with quitting smoking altogether because we can not afford tobacco products and they miss their tax revenues through that action or we find an alternative and they still miss out on hose revenues (six of one or half a dozen of the other only the later saves us the suffering from nicotine withdrawal). Either way Big Tobacco is forced to cut production and lay off more workers (like raising taxes on tobacco products wasn't going create that effect all by itself). Necessity is the mother of invention and well Mom, looks like the US government is about to orphan another one of your children. This entire episode is making me sick to my stomach.

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Silver

Have a look - any corrections I made are - of course - reversable. But I think this look a bit cleaner....



To Whom It May Concern:

My name is Glenn Orr of Memphis TN. I have an issue that I would like to bring to your attention. I was a cigarette smoker for about 12 years until I discovered the e-cigarette. This is an alternative to smoking tobacco products. This technology was developed in China and has spread rapidly around the globe. Great Britain, Australia, Hong Kong, China, Japan, all have this product in the public eye, and in some cases not wanting to understand the concept or the device, or fear of the same, has led to its ban. Now, we are faced with the same fear and lack of understanding in the U.S. as the Food and Drug Administration seems intent on making sure this product is banned from the United States.

Allow me to simplify this device for you. While the models that resemble cigarettes are gaining in popularity in the US, there are also models that resemble classic pipes and cigars as well, but they all have the same basic function. There is a battery which powers an atomizer. The atomizer is simply tightly coiled wire. The atomizer makes contact with a wad of polyester material soaked in what is known in the trade as ‘e-Juice’, contained in a small plastic cup called a cartridge. This is a mix of either Vegetable Glycerin or Propylene Glycol, nicotine, and whatever natural flavoring the user chooses.

Upon inhalation, as one would draw on an actual cigarette, micro-sensors in the battery turn the atomizer coil on, heating up the filament wire to a temperature high enough to vaporize the liquid in the cartridge. This vapor is what is inhaled. Instead of taking in cigarette smoke with its well-documented carcinogens and other toxic elements, the e-cigarette replaces it with inert materials and nicotine.

While nicotine in its raw form is a poison, every person who has made a purchase of this e-Juice has been made aware of its dangers. In fact, there are more warnings when purchasing e-Juice than there are when one purchases a pack of cigarettes.

This device has allowed thousands of individuals make the choice to reduce their individual risk of cancer, heart attack, and stroke by using this alternate form of nicotine inhalation instead of smoking traditional tobacco products. I am one such person. I have quit tobacco because of this device.

I feel we owe it to the safety of our nation, and possibly the world, to allow these devices to be marketed, further tested for the validity, and allow all Americans the choice to cut their individual cancer risks. This device still allows a delivery of nicotine with none, if any, harmful carcinogens in the carrier.

I am not a distributor of these devices, nor am I endorsing a particular brand. I bring this to your attention for investigation and approval, not fear, mistrust, and expulsion. I challenge the United States Food and Drug Administration, as well as the World Health Organization, to put this device to the exact same tests as tobacco, compare the results, and make them public. Tobacco has cost enough lives and tax dollars in lawsuits. Let us make the choice to turn away from tobacco and to a healthier alternative. I can be reached at this e-mail address for further correspondence.

Sincerely,

Glenn A. Orr

[green-lantern]

Oh yeah I forgot to ask....What is the shelf life of CaSH eliquid? Get stocked up Steve..I will be back from Vegas on the 21st and I have a big order for you!!!!

I'm with you!

Steve, I hope you have a big order with that new big place in TN!

[Johnsky]

That's ridiculous.

So, they want to pull the one solution EVERYONE has been looking for. No more second hand smoke, no more carcinogens, no tar, arsenic, cyanide...

... all because the retailers didn't magically possess scientific degrees before repeating what has already been proven?



It's not up to retailers to do scientific tests... THAT'S THE FDA'S JOB!



What the hell are they getting funding for then? They obviously don't want to do their own work... instead they want to go around handing out fines because we're not doing their job for them?!

I should remember that the next time I visit a tobacconist. I should demand he posses a masters degree in chemistry minimum before being permitted to sell anything.

Retarded... absolutely retarded.

This is the solution to all the smoking issues the government has been struggling with... and they want to pull it.
I say it's time we pull their funding. We can use the tax money elsewhere.

[strayling]

Silver

Have a look - any corrections I made are - of course - reversable. But I think this look a bit cleaner....

Looks good to me, if perhaps a bit long. The only suggestion which springs to mind is that you emphasise the difference between vapourising and burning for the more science-challenged readers. Perhaps an analogy with the smell of food cooking (vapour) and the smell of food burning (smoke).

I know the analogy isn't perfect but I think it's close enough to give the idea and get the point across.

On the whole, it's a very good letter I think.