Fda crackdown looms

[Lorddrek]

Ok now that everyone is starting to get rightfully worried about the future of E-Cigs we can do something. Sorry my prior post confused a few folks who seem a bit defensive. All I was trying to do is point out reasons why the FDA and other parties would be concerned.

The truth is not enough is known and even though we feel we have enough experience with vaporizing to draw our own conclusions Joe Public is far from done with us. Things like secondary vapor will have to be proven less harmful than a fart before it will be accepted by non smokers. They have pushed smokers into such a small corner why on earth would they stop now?

Some in this thread have asked for and others have offered suggestions of what to do. Writing letters to our lawmakers is a common first step and I think most here are aware of this. A generic form letter with some fill in the blanks would go a long way and I think this would make a great sticky post.

But please do not think for a second that this will not be regulated in some way. Your head is in the sand if you do. I quoted TropicalBob the other day saying the exact same thing a few days ago and not one person responded. Pretending it ain't so is the worst thing we can do right now.

Lorddrek

[Octal040]

I'm gonna get some tic-tacs and pretend it's extasy. I hope the FDA doesn't ban those.

Under the Analogue Act tic-tacs are, in fact, banned if you did happen to pretend or represent them as being ecstasy. All you have to do is shake your box of tic-tacs and say "oh look at all my pills" and you can get a life sentence.

These people cover all their bases. They have no remorse and the only thing they understand is revenue and civil control.

Sorry my first post is all doom and gloom but nothing makes me more crazy than gov't continual inserting itself where it has no jurisdiction but what it decides to seize from us at the point of a gun. I've been lurking here for a couple months getting all of my info together to make the best purchasing decisions I can make and now they're gonna' take it all away just when I was getting excited about not smoking 3 packs a day.

Funny how all the FDA approved stop-smoking-aids are either completely worthless, cost three times what cigarettes do, or are dangerous. ie: Chantix.

[TropicalBob]

It's not up to retailers to do scientific tests... THAT'S THE FDA'S JOB!

That is 100% incorrect. Absolutely false.

[Sun Vaporer]

TB is right on point here people. The burden of Proof by way of application and clinical trials falls on the maufacturer--not the FDA. If a manufacture wants to put a drug out to market, it must make the proper applications and back the claims made and saftey there of--That is the way the process works and it has not been done with with the device we employ---Sun

[vape4life]

It hasn't been done because it doesn't NEED to be done. There is nothing novel about it. It's old hat. People have been smoking tobacco (and therefore using nicotine) for hundreds of years.

Have they required strict trials of coffee? No. And any caffeine product is allowed on the market without trials (do you think Red Bull submitted a drug app to the FDA? I'll answer for you: NO)

Everything in these things are UNREGULATED, outside of FDA jurisdiction in terms of the drug side of things.

The FDA can only regulate it as a FOOD, like they do with coffee, and herbal supplements.

More on the red bull point: They contain massive amounts of Taurine, which has never before been ingested by human beings in massive quantities. The effects of this massive consumption are unknown (although I'll say appear to be 100% positive based on initial studies). But the FDA doesn't act. Because it's not a drug. It's not marketed as a drug. And they can't. They can only ensure that the manufacturing process is cleanly, as they do with all food products.

[Brian]

--reintroduce a "smoking culture" into places where people no longer are used to seeing wisps of smoke and cigarettes hanging from people's mouths.--
--How many things can we find wrong with that comment?
But thank you for showing me the error of my ways, I will now go back to my 2 pak a day 4000 chemical analogs. What on earth was I thinking that a safer alternative might be less offensive...???
anyway moving on....
Its ironic that the shock comment that an ex-smoker might be lured back into the smoking trap.....sounds almost like the comment about tobacco products appealing to children... but really, are they kidding??? are they really that concerned that an ex smoker might "fall off the wagon" or just a modern day Spanish Inquisition funded by deep pockets and pamphlets?
Ironic.... I heard of E cigarettes until I stumbled on an article about non-smokers complaining about them in another state....To me, they are a godsend. If it weren't for that article, I may have never known there was more than just chewing tobacco and snuff. (yuk) Let the anti smoker nazi's complain.

[SilverEagleBW]

Ruyan is the only company that i see that might possibly take the time and trouble to deal with the FDA on this matter.If they got FDA approval they would have a large market in America,would they want to invest in that gamble though,that is the question.

[MisterPuck]

It hasn't been done because it doesn't NEED to be done. There is nothing novel about it. It's old hat. People have been smoking tobacco (and therefore using nicotine) for hundreds of years.

Have they required strict trials of coffee? No. And any caffeine product is allowed on the market without trials (do you think Red Bull submitted a drug app to the FDA? I'll answer for you: NO)

Everything in these things are UNREGULATED, outside of FDA jurisdiction in terms of the drug side of things.

The FDA can only regulate it as a FOOD, like they do with coffee, and herbal supplements.

doesnt work like that.

Lets say you have drug A, regulated and appproved and you have substance B, no need to regulate it. Each on their own they are fine and legal, but if you mix them, then sell them they become compound C and since compound C has drug A in it, compound C must be tested as everything else in it, while inert on it's own, can change the effect of drug A.


Once you mix it all together it becomes a new thing, thus must be tested again.

[Nuck]

MisterPuck, the FDA does not control tobacco or nicotine so vape4life was entirely correct. There is currently no ban because the FDA does not have the authority to ban them. That may change in the future, but for now, unless a shipment or a retailer markets them as an NRT, the FDA has no jurisdiction and if some supplier is silly enough to mark shipments the wrong way, then the shipment will be held. It doesn't affect 'personal vaporizers'.

In Canada, the situation is identical with Health Canada.

[MisterPuck]

MisterPuck, the FDA does not control tobacco or nicotine so vape4life was entirely correct. There is currently no ban because the FDA does not have the authority to ban them. That may change in the future, but for now, unless a shipment or a retailer markets them as an NRT, the FDA has no jurisdiction and if some supplier is silly enough to mark shipments the wrong way, then the shipment will be held. It doesn't affect 'personal vaporizers'.

In Canada, the situation is identical with Health Canada.

Yeah, I realized this about a minute or two ago. Im all hyper and energy-drinked out and just simply misread his post.

I'm going to go quietly sit in a corner now.