I think I already posted this

**e-pipeman** · 03-13-2009, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by poeticwomyn

with being in a medical related field for over 30 years, I don't believe any of the government agencies will be happy unless there is a total cessation of tobacco use. Humbly voicing an opinion, Kat

Hi Kat,

The good news is that vaping is not tobacco use. Nicotine can be obtained from a variety of different plants. Lots of people vape 0 nic carts. There is room for the government agencies to be happy with ecigs.

**poeticwomyn** · 03-13-2009, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by e-pipeman

Hi Kat,

The good news is that vaping is not tobacco use. Nicotine can be obtained from a variety of different plants. Lots of people vape 0 nic carts. There is room for the government agencies to be happy with ecigs.

Nice thought and seriously hope you are correct, my partner has since began vaping just for the taste and a past foundness for sugar tips. But I do still believe there will be some regulation because, albiet yes, nicotine is found in many plants, the quantities are markedly lower than in tobacco. And please correct me if I am wrong, I believe most carts and juices are made from tobacco plant nicotine. I would love to learn more because as I said I am new to vaping.

**Brian** · 03-13-2009, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by poeticwomyn

Well as I posted on another thread (and MHO remains unchanged which is more than we can say for the flip-flopping of over politicians )IMHO, seems to me that e-cigs are something that "sneaked in the back door" while the government wasn't looking. So now there is going to be a lot of media hype and scare tactics put through the media until some control legislation is passed. Because, good grief, no way can a full grown adult human make their own choices about what is good for them with out some govenmental legislation over it. I am new to e-smoking but absolutely love it as an alternative to cigarettes. But I do believe that if it doesn't get very popular very quickly we (as e-smokers) will not have a collectively loud enough voice to stop legislation that will, at best, dictate where and when I can buy and use my supplies or, at worst, ban it all together. The other thought this brings to mind is the fact that they are not getting tobacco taxation money on this product. Also with being in a medical related field for over 30 years, I don't believe any of the government agencies will be happy unless there is a total cessation of tobacco use. Humbly voicing an opinion, Kat

From what I read, it may seem like the government is trying to completely do away with tobacco. In fact if they did totally do away with tobacco, Many government programs like SCHIP (which is funded by tobacco taxes) would lose out. Not to mention the personal projects our senators have in place....while the drug companies would be happy for a short while, (nic patches and gums) the only ones that would be truly happy are the anti-smokers groups... or at least until they find another cause to feed their need to control...

hypothetically asking.. what would be next big anti-thing.... fast food... ???

**e-pipeman** · 03-13-2009, 10:00 PM

I am sure that you are right about the current source of nicotine for carts. However, it's nicotine rather than tobacco, even though derived from it. Otherwise everyone on NRT would be using tobacco. The point is that if anyone were to object to nicotine from tobacco, there are other sources. It may be more expensive to extract, it may not - any scientist care to comment?

**e-pipeman** · 03-13-2009, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Brian

hypothetically asking.. what would be next big anti-thing.... fast food... ???

In the UK they're having a pop at alcohol and fast food. A Dr in the media today suggested taxing chocolate to help prevent obesity. He had overlooked the fact that it is already taxed....

**sdaniels** · 03-13-2009, 10:19 PM

This is all ridiculous as long as manufacturers don't cower. You simply sell the e-cig as a portable electronic vaporizer, health and beauty. Don't inhale, just puff and enjoy the cool mist on your face. As for the juice... same thing they do with Black Opium and Salvia, sell it as an incense label it "Don't Smoke! External Use Only!". Now if that's a drug then FeBreze and Lysol need to anti-up.

There's a reason justice wears a blindfold, they don't want you to know she's sleeping.

**vape4life** · 03-13-2009, 10:27 PM

good points sdaniels. their is little they can do if we play our cards right.

**devonschmoker** · 03-13-2009, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by sdaniels

There's a reason justice wears a blindfold, they don't want you to know she's sleeping.

Not All lady justice statutes are blind. For example the one in the Clackamas County Courthouse in Oregon City, Oregon, USA. She has no blindfold and it is the creepiest thing I have ever seen in a courthouse. There are also many other lady justice statues that are not blind arund the US. I couldn’t help but add that. -Devon

**Sun Vaporer** · 03-23-2009, 02:14 AM

Wonder why somebody would post this story again --huummmmmmm--Sun

**Nicole** · 03-24-2009, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Lorddrek

2) Propolyne Glycol- This is a major component of some radiator fluids. That is a fact. While it is presently used in food products ingesting is far different than inhaling. If you are unsure about this try eating a pack of cigarettes and see what happens. More research on inhaling this over long terms is not unreasonable.

Lorddrek,
You are confusing propylene glycol with ETHYLENE glycol. Ethylene glycol is used in radiator fluids and in some brands of anti-freeze. Propylene glycol is an FDA recognized safe food additive used to restore moisture to packaged foods, and is also used in liquid medications such as liquid Tylenol, and other "suspension" liquids, etc. It's a common misconception that PG and EG are the same thing, because they both use the word "glycol" in their names, but there are not the same thing.

Just wanted to clear that up!