Fda crackdown looms

[OutWest]

If things keep going the direction they are, I wouldnt be surprised to eventually see a fat tax in the form of a "health credit". If youre not overweight, you'll get a credit when you file your federal income tax. That, or once we have socialized medicine those that arent overweight will get a discount on their health taxes. Either way, if youre overweight, you'll in essence be taxed for being fat. Seems crazy, I know, but we are living in crazy times. So, it wouldnt surprise me one bit to eventually see it.

[LaceyUnderall]

For those interested in the url of the Congressional Budget Office's Director's Blog in which the last paragraph seems to indicate it's all about the money:
Director’s Blog Blog Archive H.R. 1256, the Family Smoking and Tobacco Control Act

Hey... thanks for that! You are up to posting yourself

[gnsmith]

If things keep going the direction they are, I wouldnt be surprised to eventually see a fat tax in the form of a "health credit". If youre not overweight, you'll get a credit when you file your federal income tax. That, or once we have socialized medicine those that arent overweight will get a discount on their health taxes. Either way, if youre overweight, you'll in essence be taxed for being fat. Seems crazy, I know, but we are living in crazy times. So, it wouldnt surprise me one bit to eventually see it.

If memory servers me, not too long ago a senator or congressman, can't remember which tried to pass that fat people could be banned from restaurants. and the funny thing about it, when they show his picture, he was no beanpole.

[LaceyUnderall]

If memory servers me, not too long ago a senator or congressman, can't remember which tried to pass that fat people could be banned from restaurants. and the funny thing about it, when they show his picture, he was no beanpole.

Here are just a few of those attempts:

Alabama to place 'fat tax' on obese state employees | Booster Shots | Los Angeles Times
Paterson Admits Obesity Tax Plan Has Failed - wcbstv.com
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/ny...7sugartax.html

There was also a southern state that attempted to do this and I can't find the link, but basically it said that the server at a restaurant could determine if you were to large to be served and refuse to serve you. I will keep looking for it. It was sad and ridiculous and failed...

[mr_vapor]

Reasons not to be worried:

Crack pipes can be bought in convenient stores (usually in poor neighborhoods) containing a rose inside the pipe (changing its use from a crack pipe to something you romantically give to your girlfriend/wife)

Bongs can be bought at head shops for use with smoking tobacco

N2O (laughing gas) can be bought in many places as whip cream canister refills

Vaporizers for smoking ......... have been available forever marketed as Herbal Mineral Heaters (vaporbrothers, no links yet, google it)

Beer can be bought on ebay because the seller states they are selling the bottle and not in anyway shape or form responsible for the contents inside, the auction is for the bottle only.

Nicotine water is still available and they use no work around, its meant to be drank, they just have a simple "This is not FDA approved, does not cure any disease, etc" label like a bottle of Ginseng or Stress Tea usually contains. (nicotinewater, no links yet, google it)

If there is a ban, suppliers just have to find creative work arounds. The actual devices are simply batteries and heating electronics that have to be marketed in a different more creative way.

Nicotine is not illegal. Could we not just market the juice as flavored insecticide (kills the bugs and keep your plants smelling good) with labels saying this product is not meant to be inhaled, swallowed or digested. I know it is silly but really that is all it takes to bypass FDA laws a lot of times.

Alternatively you stores could sell flavor liquid (could be advertised to put into some special candle or something) and other places could sell 36mg unflavored nicotine as insecticide.

Really it just comes down to how the products present themselves if there is indeed a ban.

The thing that bugs me the most about a ban possibility is that e-smoking will become more of an under the radar thing as opposed to something that with no ban I could see a huge majority of smokers switching to over the next few years.

[LaceyUnderall]

The thing that bugs me the most about a ban possibility is that e-smoking will become more of an under the radar thing as opposed to something that with no ban I could see a huge majority of smokers switching to over the next few years.

That's why I love Matt Salmon's quote so much:

"The message that is being sent by the FDA to those who cannot stop smoking, or who do not wish to stop smoking, is that it is better to keep smoking tobacco"

[TropicalBob]

Lacey, that video is great, but that quote is not accurate and the FDA will shoot it down in a hurry. Those who choose to quit cigarettes have a plethora of FDA-approved nicotine delivery systems at their disposal, some over-the-counter, some prescription-only. I know, I know, they're not very effective, but we have NO STATS on how effective e-smoking is.

This is not a cigarette-versus-ecig matter. It will not be framed that way by the only authority that counts, the FDA. It is about the e-cig only, and whatever evidence or lack of exists for its safety and efficacy.

The video plays well with common sense. If only we had facts to back up our assertions.

[mr_vapor]

That is a good and true one Lacey. Here is one I like from The American Association of Public Health Physicians

"Telling smokers they may not use e-cigarettes until they're approved by the FDA is like telling a floundering swimmer not to climb aboard a raft because it might have a leak."

[LaceyUnderall]

But you are talking about people who wish to quit smoking cigarettes completely. Yes. They do have FDA approved methods. But what about those who do not wish to quit and are looking for alternative? That statement is completely true and the FDA will have a hard time disputing it.

Why does this always come down to quitting?

The best thing about the US is that the government is not what runs us, we run the government.

[LaceyUnderall]

That is a good and true one Lacy. Here is one I like from The American Association of Public Health Physicians

"Telling smokers they may not use e-cigarettes until they're approved by the FDA is like telling a floundering swimmer not to climb aboard a raft because it might have a leak."

Another one of my favorites