who says that VMOD XL is the best bottom feeder on the earth ?

[Fernand]

Judging the Vmod XL on it's own ? The best thing about it I can say so far is that it doesn't leak ! I'm getting a HH.357 1.5ohm Long Barrel atomizer in the mail today, which will probably be the last thing I try on it before putting it up for sale. That is unless there is a way to make the Evolv Kick work on it.

Curious what specifically you don't like about it. If you're attached to high voltage, you may have to move on. The HH.357 1.5 ohm on a stock 18650 gives me the 9 watts and performance I like. But I also like Resurrector and LR Boge cartos on it. I have a Provari but hardly ever go above 4.5 volts, and LRs are fine for me at 3.7 volts.

P.s. It takes at least a week to break in an HH.357, give it a chance.

[washvap]

It's funny how people are bringing up the leaking issue when the Vmod is known to leak. The original Vmod can't even go through a full bottle without excessive leaking in the interior of the mod. Also, think it would be simply annoying that I would even have to invert it just to feed my atty/carto. The REO does not leak at all and it's obvious that a lot of people that are posting here don't even own a REO. Yes, I've owned both.

If you want to brag about flooding the atomizer then be my guest. Since your only reducing the life of the atomizer itself. Personally, it's a shame how they only recently made any improvements to a flawed device. The style unappealing to me. The weight of it just proves how fragile the mod is to begin with.

If we're talking about build quality and the importance of a REO being made from a solid block of aircraft aluminum. Try driving over your vmod and see if it survives. Or even drop it from 20ft in the air and see if the plastic body can handle the impact. Not even the aluminum shell is durable since it's so thin. The spring on the button is extremely cheap and flimsy. Who knows how long that will last. There is no comparison between the build quality of the REO and Vmod. It's like comparing a lavatube to the Provari. Basically, the Vmod is a knockoff of the REO and stole the all mechanical aspect from it.

[six]

There is no comparison between the build quality of the REO and Vmod. It's like comparing a lavatube to the Provari.

I gave the VMod a fair shot. There were a few things I did like about it. Juice capacity was the #1 thing I liked. Its feed system worked OK - but I had a boge revolution for a few weeks a while back and already had the hang of gravity feeding, so I can say with certainty that I wouldn't have liked it if it were the first time I used a device like that.. I did not really like that feature with the boge revolution. It was a hassle, but I eventually did start getting a pretty good feel for it. If a person spent a lot of time with a VMod or a Revolution, they'd gain expertise and would be able to deliver the right amount of juice every time no matter what level the juice bottle is filled/drained to. So, other than seeming strange having to turn it upside down to get juice, the gravity feed system does work pretty good if you get the hang of it.

Those siloh cartos are quite good too. They provide nice flavor. They deliver a very good vape.

But that device is not one that will survive long in my life. I'm a guy who regularly works with cattle, most of which are range cattle that are away from human contact a lot so they're skittish and therefore hazardous when we have to handle them for med checks. I'm also a guy you might find on top of a communication tower installing some sort of com link a few times a month. A day climbing towers alone has been the end of more than one mod. I'm not actually sure just how many mods I've had busted by minor altercations with cattle in general, but the big 1700 to 2200 lb (depending on breed) market steers can wreck anything you're carrying in a hurry and are responsible for more than their fair share of my broken box mods.

Durability is the very first thing I look for in a mod now. There was really no home for my VMod in my lifestyle. I might have kept it if I would have found a place for it in my vaping routine. I just didn't. My work and play just require something very durable.

[sdkelly85]

Can't wait for the vmod kick combo..... I will have to put my provari on the back burner for a while.

[Fernand]

Try driving over your vmod and see if it survives. Or even drop it from 20ft in the air and see if the plastic body can handle the impact.

Forgive me, but other than Mr Six, I'm a little surprised that so many people's vaping routine involves throwing mods 20ft in the air and driving over them with a car. But this bizarre theme is repeated so often by Reo users that they must have seen it performed. I'd sure like to be invited the next time it's scheduled.

As to leaking, we're talking VMod XL here, that's the thread topic, not the older design that did in fact tend to leak. I like it when companies make major enhancements, as opposed to sticking to the same old thing. The basic concept of a squeeze bottle does recede into the mists of prehistory, and the Reo's design certainly has a lovely patina to it.

The Vmod XL shrinks the side-by side bottle/battery design and seals the atty into a 2 level liquid-feeding chamber that works well with many different atty/carto designs, doesn't leak, while recessing the atty so it protrudes very little. It's a series of evolutionary improvements that at last gives us a pocketable bottom feeder, at a good price.

No question the Model T inspired the Lamborghini, but I don't care so much about driving an antique Model T, any more than I want to be carrying around one of the oldest and most basic bottom-feeders. For the less romantic user it's great when improvements are made.

I truly appreciate that for some people a chunk of aluminum, or a box made of endangered woods, can satisfy (so easily!), their aesthetic urges, and heck, it's very "pop art" and a lot cheaper than a Picasso or a Brancusi, but frankly it doesn't do much for me. And while you're polishing your preciousss, or driving over it, I just want a vaping device that I can dump into a pocket or purse, not worry whether my keys scratch it, not have it soak everything if it's upside down or sideways, or break off the carto, and that just vapes for hours, no extra stuff to carry, all the time. I think a $20 eGo battery with a $3 EMDCC is entirely fine and functional, attractive even. No pedestals involved. The Vmod XL just offers more atty options, 3 times more battery and 3 times more juice.

Mr Six, I can see in your case it might actually make sense to have a thick-butt chassis. But how many vapers are in that situation? And what happens to the atty/carto when the cows step on the Reo? carry spares? And how about the impact susceptibility of LiIon batteries?

You know, we're kind of joking around, Mr Six has a specific need, but mine are different. I drop things as much as the next person, and the Vmods hold up OK to THAT. It's not a religion. Don't like it? No problem. They're just practical PVs for a lot of people.

[dragonbone]

Lol!!!! I was in stitches with every paragraph You are so funny!!!

Anyway, I can't wait for my VMod XL to arrive, then I can chime in . (A teensy bit disappointed that I won't be able to polish my precioussss, but maybe I can stroke it?)

Try driving over your vmod and see if it survives. Or even drop it from 20ft in the air and see if the plastic body can handle the impact.

Forgive me, but other than Mr Six, I'm a little surprised that so many people's vaping routine involves throwing mods 20ft in the air and driving over them with a car. But this bizarre theme is repeated so often by Reo users that they must have seen it performed. I'd sure like to be invited the next time it's scheduled.

As to leaking, we're talking VMod XL here, that's the thread topic, not the older design that did in fact tend to leak. I like it when companies make major enhancements, as opposed to sticking to the same old thing. The basic concept of a squeeze bottle does recede into the mists of prehistory, and the Reo's design certainly has a lovely patina to it.

The Vmod XL shrinks the side-by side bottle/battery design and seals the atty into a 2 level liquid-feeding chamber that works well with many different atty/carto designs, doesn't leak, while recessing the atty so it protrudes very little. It's a series of evolutionary improvements that at last gives us a pocketable bottom feeder, at a good price.

No question the Model T inspired the Lamborghini, but I don't care so much about driving an antique Model T, any more than I want to be carrying around one of the oldest and most basic bottom-feeders. For the less romantic user it's great when improvements are made.

I truly appreciate that for some people a chunk of aluminum, or a box made of endangered woods, can satisfy (so easily!), their aesthetic urges, and heck, it's very "pop art" and a lot cheaper than a Picasso or a Brancusi, but frankly it doesn't do much for me. And while you're polishing your preciousss, or driving over it, I just want a vaping device that I can dump into a pocket or purse, not worry whether my keys scratch it, not have it soak everything if it's upside down or sideways, or break off the carto, and that just vapes for hours, no extra stuff to carry, all the time. I think a $20 eGo battery with a $3 EMDCC is entirely fine and functional, attractive even. No pedestals involved. The Vmod XL just offers more atty options, 3 times more battery and 3 times more juice.

Mr Six, I can see in your case it might actually make sense to have a thick-butt chassis. But how many vapers are in that situation? And what happens to the atty/carto when the cows step on the Reo? carry spares? And how about the impact susceptibility of LiIon batteries?

[hildicat]

I've used both, and even though I also used a boge revolution for a while, I could never get the XL to feed well. I'm willing to chalk that up to user error. Regardless, I sold the XL within a week of getting it, and I'm happily vaping on my Reo as I type this so you can guess where my vote is going. and judging by all of the chatter on the XL forum page about misplacing/crushing o rings, headaches with ordering replacement rings, cracking and leaking issues with the XL and how to 'solve' them with super glue, I think I made the right choice (at least for me).

[AZCraig]

I'm going to give my HH.357 1.5ohm a few days to break in on my Provari and then we'll see how it does on the VMod XL.

In the mean time, I'm going to try a Boge LR carto (~2.0 ohm) on it, a Cisco 1.8 510 and maybe a Kanger carto, too.
I'm not giving up yet, but compared to the vapor production / taste of a Boge 3.0 ohm carto on my Provari @ 5.5 volts, nothing I've experienced yet on the VMod XL comes close enough to make me want to use it. (Including the lower resistance Vapage AMG atomizer and their special cartos).

I really like the idea of a juice fed system, but so far this one hasn't impressed me.

[chadster214]

I'm going to give my HH.357 1.5ohm a few days to break in on my Provari and then we'll see how it does on the VMod XL.

In the mean time, I'm going to try a Boge LR carto (~2.0 ohm) on it, a Cisco 1.8 510 and maybe a Kanger carto, too.
I'm not giving up yet, but compared to the vapor production / taste of a Boge 3.0 ohm carto on my Provari @ 5.5 volts, nothing I've experienced yet on the VMod XL comes close enough to make me want to use it. (Including the lower resistance Vapage AMG atomizer and their special cartos).

I really like the idea of a juice fed system, but so far this one hasn't impressed me.

try using a 4.8v battery for higher voltage vaping. I'm using 3.0ohm non branded atty (bridge removed) with 4.8v battery and it is comparable with my Provari running at 4.8v with the same atty.

[chadster214]

+1 on this..

Try driving over your vmod and see if it survives. Or even drop it from 20ft in the air and see if the plastic body can handle the impact.

Forgive me, but other than Mr Six, I'm a little surprised that so many people's vaping routine involves throwing mods 20ft in the air and driving over them with a car. But this bizarre theme is repeated so often by Reo users that they must have seen it performed. I'd sure like to be invited the next time it's scheduled.

As to leaking, we're talking VMod XL here, that's the thread topic, not the older design that did in fact tend to leak. I like it when companies make major enhancements, as opposed to sticking to the same old thing. The basic concept of a squeeze bottle does recede into the mists of prehistory, and the Reo's design certainly has a lovely patina to it.

The Vmod XL shrinks the side-by side bottle/battery design and seals the atty into a 2 level liquid-feeding chamber that works well with many different atty/carto designs, doesn't leak, while recessing the atty so it protrudes very little. It's a series of evolutionary improvements that at last gives us a pocketable bottom feeder, at a good price.

No question the Model T inspired the Lamborghini, but I don't care so much about driving an antique Model T, any more than I want to be carrying around one of the oldest and most basic bottom-feeders. For the less romantic user it's great when improvements are made.

I truly appreciate that for some people a chunk of aluminum, or a box made of endangered woods, can satisfy (so easily!), their aesthetic urges, and heck, it's very "pop art" and a lot cheaper than a Picasso or a Brancusi, but frankly it doesn't do much for me. And while you're polishing your preciousss, or driving over it, I just want a vaping device that I can dump into a pocket or purse, not worry whether my keys scratch it, not have it soak everything if it's upside down or sideways, or break off the carto, and that just vapes for hours, no extra stuff to carry, all the time. I think a $20 eGo battery with a $3 EMDCC is entirely fine and functional, attractive even. No pedestals involved. The Vmod XL just offers more atty options, 3 times more battery and 3 times more juice.

Mr Six, I can see in your case it might actually make sense to have a thick-butt chassis. But how many vapers are in that situation? And what happens to the atty/carto when the cows step on the Reo? carry spares? And how about the impact susceptibility of LiIon batteries?

You know, we're kind of joking around, Mr Six has a specific need, but mine are different. I drop things as much as the next person, and the Vmods hold up OK to THAT. It's not a religion. Don't like it? No problem. They're just practical PVs for a lot of people.