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    Thank you for your review. As this is for my mom (who is EXTREMELY spoiled!!!) and I want her to be able to vape for a time before having to switch or top off, I am hoping that these will work for her.

    lol...by spoiled...I mean REALLY REALLY spoiled....whenever possible she is most happy to let me or my brother do for her (ie...store run for analogs....pump gas....get her coffee....lol but she is very appreciative). She at this point wants a mostly hassle free vape (yea right!!!) so I forsee my brother refilling multiple cartos for her.....so she won't have to mess with it....lol..lol...

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    Yes, simpler definitely sounds like the better way to go for your mom there. I think simpler is probably best for most of us, including myself. I am willing to jump through an extra hoop or two, like refilling cartridges with my own e-liquids, if the pay off for the effort is there. Refilling standard refillable cartridges isn't all that big a deal anyway, but I can certainly see how your mom would probably prefer not to even hassle with that! My mom wouldn't, but she doesn't smoke or drink either.

    I've ended up just using the 2nd inner ring, reversed, as an e-liquid seal, with the 3rd inner ring completely removed. So far I don't seem to be having any leakage problems that way, and I get somewhat better airflow for a better draw. Dripping down the inner sides of the cartomizer tube isn't a very good way to fill these things, as it is still too easy to get globs of e-liquid going down the center air tube. Not a complete disaster if that happens. If it does, you can blow the inner air tube dry much like you might blow out a regular atomizer from the thread side. Only with one of these cartomizers, you have to blow on it from the other side, OUT the thread side. It also takes a lot more blowing for a lot longer to get the job done. You don't want to have to do that more than once if you don't have to. 3-piece model e-cigarettes are so much easier to maintain, simply because they are so much easier to break down into their separate component parts.

    With the 3rd inner ring out and removed, hopefully never to return (but we'll see about that later), filling the cartomizer with a more standard syringe tip of any type is much easier. I'd still say using a syringe of some kind is the better way to go. At least without the 3rd inner ring, you don't have to mess with using that tiny syringe tip through those tiny holes, and it is more clear to the naked eye when your cartomizer's reservoir is full. At this point, I've still only been playing around with my first cartomizer out of the 5-pack. For all I know, all the other cartomizers might be even more of a royal pain to deal with, or they might not even work. They are all nicely blister packaged, so hopefully that is a good sign of some sort.

    I'm still not completely sold on using these things with an m401 series battery. With at least one of the inner rings removed, the draw is slightly better than that of a 3-piece m402. I think the vapor production of these cartomizers is less by comparison, though perhaps only by a small margin. (That being said, good vapor production is an important issue, with more usually being considered better.) Flavor delivery is almost identical. Very hard to make out much difference there. The 2-piece design setup you get when using a cartomizer instead of an atomizer and cartridge is more solid feeling in your hand (no loose cartridges to fall off), but the in mouth weight is a bit heavier too. That didn't bother me, but it might bother some other folks.

    The only thing the CE2 R4 cartomizer has going for it for me at this point is a much bigger e-liquid capacity (at least double that of what I'm used to). I'm not sure that is enough to justify the slight increase in upkeep cost, hassle of refilling, and modest loss of vapor production, along with questionable long term durability. I'll keep try these out, maybe eventually doing a PTB modification down the road, but my first experiences with these devices just really hasn't blown me away. They at least fit perfectly fine in my PCC box, so that is good news. I'll be able to carry these and my more regular 3-piece gear all at the same time. Eventually I'll make up my mind which I prefer, but I think you already have a good idea which I prefer, right?

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    Eventually I'll make up my mind which I prefer, but I think you already have a good idea which I prefer, right?
    lol..Yep...and thanks again for all your input. I could always mod the carts to remove most of the filler and use the straw method to hold more juice. I have not personally tried to see how well it would wick, but it is a thought.

    with the carto rings, I saw a youtube video doing a teabag mod and in that vid he showed his inner ring....he mad the center hole bigger by cutting it away.....let me see if I can find it again. That might help for your draw and maybe even be able to use the 3rd ring to prevent the leakage......

    okay...found it...now it is for the E2, but it might still work

    http://www.youtube.com/user/DJbizzum#p/u/13/rbdtLTXSvYg
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    I'm on my second CE2 R4 cartomizer right now. First thing I noticed was that the wick within the coil element was white, and the coils looked metallic in color. On my last cartomizer, the wick and the coil were black straight out of the sealed packege (though the unit itself appeared otherwise clean). This is the same blister pack, but this second cartomizer out of it is clearly different in how "clean" it looks inside by comparison. Unusual, I've read about this sort of thing, but never expected to experience it myself, especially since Revision 4 has been out awhile now.

    I also just got my new LiteCigUSA m402 batteries, automatic, in polished stainless steel. They certainly are bright and shiny, with blue LED tips, but they were also lighting up occasionally as I was getting them out of the shipping envelope, which indicates to me they might be a little oversensitive compared to my old Intellicig batteries. I tested them with good results in front of a loud speaker at home, but I won't know if they will be okay sensitivity-wise until I test them while driving in my car. Unlike the Intellicig batteries, the LiteCigUSA batteries clearly have no automatic cutoff feature, at least not that I can tell. I can draw on them pretty much continuously if I wanted to. Pretty cool. I just hope they pass the car vibration noise sensitivity test.

    As I'm typing this, I now have one of the new batteries and the 2nd cartomizer screwed together. Refilling the 2nd cartomizer was a little easier than the first one. The fit of the inner seal rings was not as tight. I just have it reassembled normally. No reversed or removed seal rings. The stainless steel finish on the cartomizer is a bit darker (almost more gray) than that on the battery, but that's okay. Gives a slight (barely noticeable) two-tone look. Nice looking setup, but maybe not as much character as other colors and combinations might give. You don't have to worry about your paint finishing rubbing or chipping off though. I guess the aesthetics of such things are very much a matter of personal opinion. The silver cartomizer can look good combined with other colors, so you can use them with whatever you like without it looking "weird". (But I guess that's a matter of opinion too, eh?)

    This 2nd cartomizer is performing better than the 1st one did. Taste is better. Vapor production is better. Even the internal e-liquid capacity of the thing seems great, though externally it is exactly the same size. The draw is also fine, though it is still different than what you get when using a regular cartridge and atomizer instead. I'm still thinking that flavor delivery is below that of a standard setup, but it may simply be "different" in nature, and nothing more or less than that. Hard to say at this point. Even with all of its ring seals back in position where they belong, I am having some leakage from the device. I may have just overfilled it, so I'm not going to worry about that right now. I'm just going to try to enjoy the device while I sit at the computer and get some "real" work done.

    I don't think I will be trying any modifications of this setup anytime soon. I will update if I have any further developments to report, like how cleaning and using these over and over again works out. The e-liquid capacity on these things, even the regular sized ones, is pretty amazing. I want to try a full one tomorrow and see how long it lasts through my usual day compared to using cartridges.

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    How are you cleaning your cartos?

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    I haven't gotten around to cleaning my cartomizers yet. This is only my 3rd day now using these, and I'm only on my 2nd one at that. The 1st one, which apparently may have had some problems, I don't even know if I'll try cleaning that one. I guess I should. I might be able to save it by doing so.

    The thing is, I'm not even sure exactly how I'll go about cleaning these, or when I should. I plan to use the overnight soak in vinegar method (distilled white vinegar), with a rinse and dry burn after that. Possibly I'll use some high acidity lime juice straight on the atomizer coils during the overnight soak phase. I wasn't planning on scraping the coils with anything directly, as I figure I could damage them that way. I've read a lot of people do that regardless, very carefully I presume. That sounds like too much hassle to me. If these things are gonna be super high maintenance, then the heck with 'em, I don't need the hassle for the value they give me. I'll clean them the simplest way I can. Hopefully that will be good enough. Maybe I can use my sonic toothbrush for the coils? Worth a try at least once, maybe I'll do that on my not-so-good 1st one I tried the other day.

    My only real cleaning concern (if you can even call it that) is exactly when I should clean them. From what I've read, maybe they should be cleaned after about 3-5 uses? Or whenever you feel they are losing performance? I guess I will just have to wing it on the timing part. I will clean them when I think they need to be cleaned. Sorry, I guess that's not much help, but I'm a newbie to using cartomizers of any kind. I'm still not even sure if I like them enough to keep using them regularly compared to regular atomizers and cartridges.

    The one I'm using right now, I've been using it for about 8 hours straight while I've been working at home on my computer. I've had to switch out my m402 batteries twice during that time, and the cartomizer is still performing as well as when I filled it up earlier in the day. I have to admit I think that is pretty darn cool. These are certainly worth trying to clean at least once before even thinking about giving up on them.

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    How would you recommend cleaning them with alcohol? With a soak? How long? Boiling afterword?

    I didn't have much luck with using vinegar. After soaking the cartomizers overnight, then boiling them after rinsing them out, I ended with fairly clean cartomizers...that ended up tasting a bit like vinegar, yuck! I love how long the e-liquid in these cartomizers last, but they are a real pain to fill and maintain. Since they last so long on a single fill, the extra difficulty in refilling them is not really a significant issue, but their having to be cleaned so often, and the results of that cleaning, really makes them more trouble than they are worth to me so far. A better and more reliably performing cleaning method would certainly help make these cartomizers more worthwhile. I've actually stopped using my CE2 R4 cartomizers for now, and have gone back to using standard m401 series atomizers & cartridges.

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    Okay, cleaned the CE2 R4 cartomizers all out again. This time boiled them for much longer, and only soaked them in vinegar a few hours, instead of overnight. They seem to be working much better now, with no vinegar-like taste to them. I couldn't help trying to reuse these because of how much e-liquid they can carry. They last you a whole workday. They seem to need to be cleaned like this after only about 2 uses before a negative taste starts to intrude on my vaporizing pleasure. I just wish my newer m402 batteries would hold a charge for as long as my old Intellicig batteries seemed to do in comparison. I think part of the problem may be my old PCC box, which is my only charger. After all, it is a rechargeable battery as well, one which I've been using since I quit smoking about 7-8 months ago. It may need to be replaced soon, much like with any other battery.

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    Hate to resurrect an older thread, but I am curious how folks are liking their CE2 R4 cartos on their 40x PVs. I'm considering picking some up. Now that folks have had a chance to decide if they like them or not, I hope some folks will want to share their experiences. I'm also wondering who carries them lately.

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    liberty flights sells them.

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