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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicMaurice View Post
    The implications of this are really frightening. I really would hate to see the mom and pop small vendor system we currently have be replaced by only big box retailers.
    Implications... ???

    It's the core of their "Business Plan"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrodus View Post
    Implications... ???

    It's the core of their "Business Plan"
    Unfortunately you are 100% right about this and it stinks. America has some great mod builders and some great juice mixers, but when it comes to traditional cigarette sized PVs and innovative feed systems we are out of luck. And now with all the games the FDA are playing the future's not looking so bright anymore.
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    That is precisely why I'm not going to just sit back and do nothing. I am getting PROactive versus REactive and try to do all I can before things get any worse. I don't feel that I am not alone in this thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosco View Post
    That is precisely why I'm not going to just sit back and do nothing. I am getting PROactive versus REactive and try to do all I can before things get any worse. I don't feel that I am not alone in this thinking.
    The frustrations (and anger) many of us experience is tied directly with fighting a
    Defensive war with the FDA, health organizations, and zealots that couldn't care less
    about Truth, Health, or Science.

    What the E-cigarette movement lacks is an "Aggressive Offense" with organized
    offensive “leadership” with a plan. Not a “Re-actionary” team (we already have that).

    An offense that is not “officially” associated with CASAA to protect their reputation…
    (If you can read between the lines)

    I will be discussing this subject at a local meeting in a few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicMaurice View Post
    The implications of this are really frightening. I really would hate to see the mom and pop small vendor system we currently have be replaced by only big box retailers.
    I personally have always thought that was pretty much inevitable regardless.
    Especially when it comes to selling the juices.

    But I see it moreso as being a problem associated with the expense and hassle of complying with regulations.

    And when I say regulations, I mean those that are absolutely guaranteed to come eventually.
    It is only, and has always been, just a question of what form those regulations will take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicMaurice View Post
    The implications of this are really frightening. I really would hate to see the mom and pop small vendor system we currently have be replaced by only big box retailers.
    I'll bet you a nickle that if WalMart were selling e-cigs, their shipments would get through.

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    You know, a lot of folks are pointing fingers at Glaxo and the other "smoking cessation" product manufacturers, but frankly, I think it goes WAY beyond that. I think the real culprits are RJR Reynolds, US Tobacco, Philip Morris etc. Those fat cats are crapping their pants over the e-cig revolution, and they've got the money to buy Senators, Congressmen, and the FDA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mactrekr View Post
    You know, a lot of folks are pointing fingers at Glaxo and the other "smoking cessation" product manufacturers
    People are pointing fingers at Big Phama because all of the money trails lead right straight to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mactrekr View Post
    You know, a lot of folks are pointing fingers at Glaxo and the other "smoking cessation" product manufacturers, but frankly, I think it goes WAY beyond that. I think the real culprits are RJR Reynolds, US Tobacco, Philip Morris etc. Those fat cats are crapping their pants over the e-cig revolution, and they've got the money to buy Senators, Congressmen, and the FDA.
    That would not be a very wise business move on their part. They need "modified risk" tobacco products that are acceptable to smokers as a substitute for tobacco cigarettes. If you ask me, they are sitting back, waiting for the FDA to finally say that e-cigarettes are tobacco products. At that point, they have the money to buy Ruyan (almost did, reportedly), JoyTech, and anybody else who makes e-cigarettes.

    And as far as pointing fingers at Big Pharma, why else would the American Lung Association, American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, & Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids be sending lobbyists out to state and local legislatures, trying to get them to pass bans? They get huge donations from Big Pharma.
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    Yep, what DC2 and Elaine said. So far, no one associated with BT (Big Tobacco) has opposed e-cigarettes. Frankly, it's win-win for BT, because they are the ones who provide nicotine to e-cigs and BP and they could easily start selling e-cigarettes themselves.

    Everyone coming out against e-cigarettes has had ties to BP (Big Pharmaceutical companies) including the lobbyists pressuring legislators. It's not just conjecture or finger pointing - just follow the money trail.

    Quote Originally Posted by mactrekr View Post
    You know, a lot of folks are pointing fingers at Glaxo and the other "smoking cessation" product manufacturers, but frankly, I think it goes WAY beyond that. I think the real culprits are RJR Reynolds, US Tobacco, Philip Morris etc. Those fat cats are crapping their pants over the e-cig revolution, and they've got the money to buy Senators, Congressmen, and the FDA.

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