FDA seizing new shipments

[cobaltblue]

But that's exactly how the really extreme anti-smoking group look at us, I see it every time there is any article written in our local paper that has to do with smokers and smoking bans. There are always those who leave the comments about how smokers are no better than illegal drug addicts with our addiction to nicotine. Even when you point out to them that caffeine is also an addictive drug they refuse to think of their addiction to that in the same light. As far as they are concerned anyone who smokes or uses any of the smokeless products are the scum of the earth because they are "nicotine addicts". Even when trying to explain to them that smokeless tobacco products are not harmful to people around the user, they are still anti-nicotine/tobacco to the most extreme degree of calling anyone who admits to using tobacco products some really hurtful names at times.

Months ago I started a thread about being careful how you label yourself. I was hoping PVers would start to see they need to change their verbage from "addiction/ADDICT" to something like "dependent" to decrease the negative labeling from the anti's.

The responses mainly ended up being, "Hi my name is ______ and I'm an addict." They seemed so proud, too.

Seems to me like a nice way to help the other side.

[Brewlady]

Traver, the one page CASAA Position Statement that you can download from our site contradicts most of the lies being circulated by the ALA, AHA, ACS, and CFTK and cites references.

http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA%20P...0Statement.pdf

Thanks for the link to this. The first sentence looks to me to need a bit of editing, unless I'm not reading it correctly

"... misleading information about electronic cigarettes publicized disseminated by organizations..."

[JohnKing]

Months ago I started a thread about being careful how you label yourself. I was hoping PVers would start to see they need to change their verbage from "addiction/ADDICT" to something like "dependent" to decrease the negative labeling from the anti's.

The responses mainly ended up being, "Hi my name is ______ and I'm an addict." They seemed so proud, too.

Seems to me like a nice way to help the other side.

I am not an addict, I am using nicotine in a safe way to prevent Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Tourette's and ulcerative colitis. I also appreciate my attention span.

Nicotine Benefits

[cobaltblue]

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[sherid]

These two graphics are interesting. They show all deaths from 1967 when half the population smoked and now. You can draw many conclusions from this.
Graphic: What is killing us? 2007


Graphic: What is killing us? 2007 | Graphics | National Post

Graphic: What is killing us? 1967


Graphic: What is killing us? 1967 | Graphics | National Post

[JohnKing]

Let's try this:

Nicotine is a naturally occurring substance found in tobacco, tomatoes and other leafy vegetables. This natural substance provides significant health benefits when taken in extract form via gum, patches and personal vaporizers. A metered dosage of nicotine has been proven to prevent Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Tourette's and ulcerative colitis. In addition, studies have shown that nicotine users function at a higher cognitive level than their non-nicotine counterparts, employees with a higher level of alertness have been found to have fewer work related accidents, increased productivity and tend to be less depressed, making them far more desirable as employees than non-nicotine users.

Although it may seem unfair to non-nicotine users, research has proven that nicotine users have a significant edge in quality of life issues and a competitive edge in the workplace.

Some famous nicotine users are John Boehner, Speaker of the House and Barack Obama, President of The United States.

[sherid]

Months ago I started a thread about being careful how you label yourself. I was hoping PVers would start to see they need to change their verbage from "addiction/ADDICT" to something like "dependent" to decrease the negative labeling from the anti's.

The responses mainly ended up being, "Hi my name is ______ and I'm an addict." They seemed so proud, too.

Seems to me like a nice way to help the other side.

It is disturbing that so many vapers still don't get that the anti-smokers are the enemy. It is not about vaping. It is about anything that resembles smoking. The two battles are exactly the same, and until vapers stop deluding themselves, distancing themselves from smokers, and trying to win approval from the anti-smokers; the battle against vaping is guaranteed lost to the anti-smokers. THEY are the enemy.

[MoonRose]

Let's try this:

Nicotine is a naturally occurring substance found in tobacco, tomatoes and other leafy vegetables. This natural substance provides significant health benefits when taken in extract form via gum, patches and personal vaporizers. A metered dosage of nicotine has been proven to prevent Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Tourette's and ulcerative colitis. In addition, studies have shown that nicotine users function at a higher cognitive level than their non-nicotine counterparts, employees with a higher level of alertness have been found to have fewer work related accidents, increased productivity and tend to be less depressed, making them far more desirable as employees than non-nicotine users.

Although it may seem unfair to non-nicotine users, research has proven that nicotine users have a significant edge in quality of life issues and a competitive edge in the workplace.

Now this I like ... but let's make sure that we do make it clear that we are talking about nicotine obtained from non-burning sources as it is the smoke itself that causes most health problems for those who do smoke and possibly for those around them.

[throatkick]

Perhaps we need to do side by side comparisons of the effects of both nicotine and caffeine on the body. Making sure of course to state that we are talking not about cigarette smoking but the use of smokeless tobacco products and PV's. Somehow we will find a way to get people to understand that it's not nicotine that is the problem, it's the actual smoke that causes all the problems. Of course it would help if the surgeon general would get her facts straight too, for someone who should know better, she seems to have succumed to following meekly along with the rest of the sheeple over what nicotine does or does not do.

What and have caffeine seized too?

[MoonRose]

These two graphics are interesting. They show all deaths from 1967 when half the population smoked and now. You can draw many conclusions from this.
Graphic: What is killing us? 2007


Graphic: What is killing us? 2007 | Graphics | National Post

Graphic: What is killing us? 1967


Graphic: What is killing us? 1967 | Graphics | National Post

Well, well, well, it does appear that the numbers are almost exactly the same percentage wise.